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Posted: May 25 2020 at 18:06
Deadwing wrote:
I'm more of a Wright fan, so for me anything from Meddle to Animals + Division Bells are 10/10 for me. Also, I've a soft spot for The Endless River, even though it's not as good as their golden albums.
As for Roger, I think his political views are crazy, especially when he supports Maduro on Venezuela. Still, I don't think he should have access to the PF accounts because he's simply not in the band anymore.
Moslty my favourite eras too, though there's a good bit of Wright on their earlier albums. However, as far as the Endless River goes, just do a collection of the best from The Division Bell and The Endless River, and it gives you a good idea of how a more traditional Floyd sounding album would have come out in 94... and as much as I love The Division Bell, this combination would have made it even better. Version for such a union of albums would be: Things left unsaid / It's what we do / Ebb and Flow, Marooned, A great day for freedom. Take it back, Sum / Skins, Coming back to life. Keep Talking, Night light / Allons Y-1 / Autumn 68 / Allons Y-2, Talkin Hawkin. Poles apart, Calling / Eyes to Pearls / Surfacing, High Hopes.
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Posted: May 25 2020 at 17:57
Sean Trane wrote:
M27Barney wrote:
Too many floyd fanboys getting their knickers in a twist...floyd are in my second division, they are never going to threaten Genesis, Yes, ELP, Focus, IQ, Flowerkings, Spocks Beard, Glasshammer...ad nauseum...
Yessssss, I agree that all of those band are a bit nauseating compared to Floyd's 70's brilliance.
Floyd was the most brilliant and progressive band, becayse they questionned and redefined themselves with every new album. I mean not one of their albums sounds like another, and after one second, you know immediately on which album you are on, even with the patchy OBC. Floyd was about ideas, rather than technique or virtuosity.
I mean which other 70's or post 70's band can claim that they totally reinvented themselves from one album to the next?
Floyd was progressive because they progressed with each new album, not like many who simply wallowed endlessly in the little niche they'd created for themselves, until forced to exit the niche because it had become stale.
And yet, you can easily know you are listening to Pink Floyd.
Mr Trane. Floyd was always overrated, especially by their fanboys. Your post confirms that. Aye. All those bands I mentioned are utter sh*te when compared to the brilliance of tbe floyd...of course they are....too much emphasis on all that virtuosity and aimless noodling....bet you hate Dream Theater...😁
I'm more of a Wright fan, so for me anything from Meddle to Animals + Division Bells are 10/10 for me. Also, I've a soft spot for The Endless River, even though it's not as good as their golden albums.
As for Roger, I think his political views are crazy, especially when he supports Maduro on Venezuela. Still, I don't think he should have access to the PF accounts because he's simply not in the band anymore.
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Posted: May 25 2020 at 01:44
M27Barney wrote:
Too many floyd fanboys getting their knickers in a twist...floyd are in my second division, they are never going to threaten Genesis, Yes, ELP, Focus, IQ, Flowerkings, Spocks Beard, Glasshammer...ad nauseum...
Yessssss, I agree that all of those band are a bit nauseating compared to Floyd's 70's brilliance.
Floyd was the most brilliant and progressive band, becayse they questionned and redefined themselves with every new album. I mean not one of their albums sounds like another, and after one second, you know immediately on which album you are on, even with the patchy OBC. Floyd was about ideas, rather than technique or virtuosity.
I mean which other 70's or post 70's band can claim that they totally reinvented themselves from one album to the next?
Floyd was progressive because they progressed with each new album, not like many who simply wallowed endlessly in the little niche they'd created for themselves, until forced to exit the niche because it had become stale.
Too many floyd fanboys getting their knickers in a twist...floyd are in my second division, they are never going to threaten Genesis, Yes, ELP, Focus, IQ, Flowerkings, Spocks Beard, Glasshammer...ad nauseum...
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Posted: May 24 2020 at 19:18
rogerthat wrote:
Frenetic Zetetic wrote:
iluvmarillion wrote:
Really don't like this revisionism going on with Roger Waters regarding who wrote what on Comfortably Numb. It's entirely between Roger Waters and Dave Gilmour and has nothing to do with Pink Floyd fans like myself who don't want to know. His feud has nothing to do with us.
I'm with you 100%.
However...
<span style="line-height: 1.4;">Expecting PF fans to be rational, when they can circle jerk over drama instead, is a recipe for disaster.</span>
idk, there are two categories of PF fans, or maybe three. One is the DB apologists and I am not in that category. Two is the St Waters fan club who think his demands are somehow justified after everything he did to alienate the rest of the band. Third is the ones who do think of the Waters years as the best phase of the band but don't like how he treated them, Mason and Wright in particular. I belong to the third category and I think a few of us have been posting in this thread too.
I guess I would be in the third one too, only clarifying a few things. The Waters years are the best, but particularly the ones from Meddle to Animals, and not because I think it was Waters doing, but because it was a collective effort, and they all contributed to the music. Dark Side of the Moon is perhaps the album with the most contributions from Wright. However, I do consider Waters did do some of the great songs from the era, like Welcome to the Machine and Sheep. Of course his contributions seem to be magnified because he wrote the lyrics to all songs at that time, so even if he hardly contributed to the music, he still gets writing credits, and so he has credits on just about every song. And also, even if this is my favourite period, I still think they did wonderful stuff at other times, and I would rank both the earlier era, as well as the Gilmour era, over just about any other band out there.
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Posted: May 24 2020 at 09:26
Sean Trane wrote:
But Roger should really refrain from tweeting around the day after a solid night out (or in - in this case). Clearly, the man's puffed face shows that he ingested a fair bit of alcohol the day before.
Squirrels keep food stored in their cheeks till they bury it for a future snack date.....Roger must be doing the same with his alcomohol, allowing him to savor the moment and extend the effects a tad bit longer...
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Posted: May 24 2020 at 02:35
Sean Trane wrote:
rogerthat wrote:
Sean Trane wrote:
^^^
I'd say that Roger is missing one category of Floyd fans: the Syd Barrett absolutists
Guess it's been so long since I've met them on here that I left them out.
Come on:
Roger That
Roger "Syd" Barrett
Roger Waters
The Dark Elf wrote:
His interviews are always thoughtful and introspective, and he seems like a decent, caring guy who lets his music do the talking for him.
Yeah, nobody is disputing that - well not much anyways: I don't know which artiste doesn't do that kind of basic PR stuff. Same can be said for Roger : thoughtful and introspective, though he likes to explain a bit more his music.
It's just that when when this particular subject arises , they both contract anally and have a constipating diarrhea.
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But Roger should really refrain from tweeting around the day after a solid night out (or in - in this case). Clearly, the man's puffed face shows that he ingested a fair bit of alcohol the day before.
.....and your post shows you had a fai bit of alcomohol today 😂
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Posted: May 24 2020 at 02:10
rogerthat wrote:
Sean Trane wrote:
^^^
I'd say that Roger is missing one category of Floyd fans: the Syd Barrett absolutists
Guess it's been so long since I've met them on here that I left them out.
Come on:
Roger That
Roger "Syd" Barrett
Roger Waters
The Dark Elf wrote:
His interviews are always thoughtful and introspective, and he seems like a decent, caring guy who lets his music do the talking for him.
Yeah, nobody is disputing that - well not much anyways: I don't know which artiste doesn't do that kind of basic PR stuff. Same can be said for Roger : thoughtful and introspective, though he likes to explain a bit more his music.
It's just that when when this particular subject arises , they both contract anally and have a constipating diarrhea.
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But Roger should really refrain from tweeting around the day after a solid night out (or in - in this case). Clearly, the man's puffed face shows that he ingested a fair bit of alcohol the day before.
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Posted: May 23 2020 at 22:35
Catcher10 wrote:
He continues to neglect telling his fans that not only did he leave PF but he also sued them, he is playing on the fact that the band has attracted millions of people born in the 80s/90s that like their music.
And again, he inserts his political BS feelings......
Yup, easy to confuse the narrative now that it's been years since it all happened. Mind, as a guy born in the mid 80s, I am well aware of the kerfuffle that broke out after TFC. But at the time I was getting into PF, we still used to read wiki or fansites to find out the facts as opposed to watching videos so it was maybe harder to fool us. He's got a better shot now at manipulating people into thinking he's the one wronged by the other three/two.
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Posted: May 23 2020 at 13:10
Gilmour just recently auctioned off 126 guitars (including the ones he toured with and those that were used for all the famous Floyd studio albums), and donated the resulting $21 million to charity. His interviews are always thoughtful and introspective, and he seems like a decent, caring guy who lets his music do the talking for him.
...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology...
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Posted: May 23 2020 at 10:36
Another case in point.....not sure what he is "announcing", he must have forgot 10 seconds into his video . I guess he is announcing the band should be called Spinal Tap.
If I have the year right, the only content Pink Floyd should allow on their website by Waters is Pros/Cons of Hitch Hiking.
He continues to neglect telling his fans that not only did he leave PF but he also sued them, he is playing on the fact that the band has attracted millions of people born in the 80s/90s that like their music.
And again, he inserts his political BS feelings......
I'm currently watching the Gilmour Live in Pompeii documentary and you can see how very happy Gilmour is with his family, something that must irk at Waters that he does not apparently have, IDK?
I'm starting to feel sorry for Roger Waters acting like "a right Mammory gland" .
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Posted: May 23 2020 at 10:17
ExittheLemming wrote:
^ That's fair comment albeit tenuously ironic from someone with Judah in their forum name
Don't blame me! My real name IS Judah-Ben. Blame goes to my dad. I guess he just loves Ben-Hur a bit too much. He was 19 years old when that movie came out!
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Posted: May 23 2020 at 09:48
Catcher10 wrote:
rogerthat wrote:
Lewian wrote:
rogerthat wrote:
idk, there are two categories of PF fans, or maybe three. One is the DB apologists and I am not in that category. Two is the St Waters fan club who think his demands are somehow justified after everything he did to alienate the rest of the band. Third is the ones who do think of the Waters years as the best phase of the band but don't like how he treated them, Mason and Wright in particular. I belong to the third category and I think a few of us have been posting in this thread too.
What about those who love listening to great PF music and even discussing it, but are happy to leave their personal issues alone including all discussions of the kind what bit of the music belongs to whom as a person, who has more merit in their greatness and who contributed more to their downfall... Their music has made my life richer for 40+ years, their feuds don't mean anything to me.
Hurray to you if you can but if Waters very PUBLICLY injects himself into this topic and in fact resurrects it, I won't blame either category of fans for commenting on it. And their feud doesn't HAVE to mean anything to me or anybody else to have a view on it. It has not diminished my respect for his work in any way but I am not going to be indifferent about what he did to the band either.
Agree.....I can spin early PF and have no reservations about Mr Waters behavior, I appreciate the music as a whole not in pcs. I feel I separate the dooshness of Waters being a dooshbag when listening to his talent in the group.
Absolutely right. It is perfectly possible to love the great music he created, and still accept that he acts like a right Mammory gland still times.
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