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Originally posted by The Truth The Truth wrote:

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So let's get to the meat with regard to LTIA.

It all begins with that kalimba, maybe some bells or other percussion, I dunno what is that shimmering stuff hanging 'round, but we end up with some little bit of violin, little bit of Frippery.  Little bit of Bruford playing some wrong notes.  Little bit of growling Wetton bass.  An inscrutible Fripp solo.  Violin birds what's not to like?

Book of Saturday is a nice sort of ballad-like piece of music.  Nice Frippery, backwards and forwards.  Exiles yeah ya may need some help with this one, but I hear nothing that would make me turn away and run, given that it's strong in epic KC terms. 

Easy Money will and does kick anyone's ass.  To this day.  Talking Drum same thang.  LTIA Two need not even be discussed it's so good.

Overrated?  This is as good an album as has ever been made. 

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Originally posted by topographicbroadways topographicbroadways wrote:

I am a massive fan of the first era of King Crimson (In the court - Islands) but am surprised at how few people mention that era on this forum and jump straight onto Larks Tongues only stopping to mention In The Court.

I have never been able to get into the larks tongues era the only song i really enjoy is Starless from Red i find this era a little to jazz fusion. I like jazz fusion but enjoy the old symphonic approach from crimson.

In my opinion Islands and In The Wake of Poseidon are King Crimsons masterpieces but i almost never see them mentioned.

So does anybody else prefer the symphonic era more than the more popular and discussed larks-Red era?

I can't say so-King Crimson was extremely disjointed until they found their footing with the Bruford/Wetton/Cross lineup. Their consistency of tone combined with a more fervent desire to experiment outside of traditional prog boundaries made some of the best music ever, as far as I'm concerned, prog or not. 
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The whole period of Larks, Starless, and Red was influenced by band member's personal interest. It always works that way when composing as the musician will become fascinated with an aspect of life they don't have the full devotion for because....well? they are a musician. Some of their interests definitely had to influence the music. Fripp had dabbled in Wicca and Jamie Muir (who was a little odd), left Crimso in 73' to live in a monastery in Scotland. Fripp and Sinfield were on the darkside of course...but this was different because the improvisation was scattered and in the long term of observation one could hear that a more extensive atmospheric presence was revealed.

My fondest memory of this line up was recorded at the Concertgebouw in Amsterdam 73'. 


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Their best album for sure.
    
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I'm not a fan of LTIA, but I don't dare to say it's overrated.

If so many people likes it and respects the band for it, there must be a reason.

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Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:


Originally posted by The Truth The Truth wrote:

Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Originally posted by The Truth The Truth wrote:


Larks Tongues is actually the only Wetton album I've heard, but it's definitely a masterpiece. (I own it and every KC album before it, hope to get Starless and Bible Black soon.)

Skip that and go directly for Red if you want to remain on ***** level.

 

I'd rather go in chronological order. Stern Smile

 

I may get both for christmas actually. Big smile
Both of those together will go nicely for you.


Don't forget to get some nice live albums from this era too. For me most of the songs are better live.
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By far my favourite King Crimson album (the only one I would consider a Masterpiece) is the debut. LTiA I do find very good, but it's got some pieces I don't really like very much, and some others that are much better on live versions. However, in the end, I wouldn't really know which era's sound I like better, both had their particular uniqueness.
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Originally posted by The Truth The Truth wrote:

Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Originally posted by The Truth The Truth wrote:

Larks Tongues is actually the only Wetton album I've heard, but it's definitely a masterpiece. (I own it and every KC album before it, hope to get Starless and Bible Black soon.)



Skip that and go directly for Red if you want to remain on ***** level.
 
I'd rather go in chronological order. Stern Smile
 
I may get both for christmas actually. Big smile

Both of those together will go nicely for you.
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Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Originally posted by The Truth The Truth wrote:

Larks Tongues is actually the only Wetton album I've heard, but it's definitely a masterpiece. (I own it and every KC album before it, hope to get Starless and Bible Black soon.)



Skip that and go directly for Red if you want to remain on ***** level.
 
I'd rather go in chronological order. Stern Smile
 
I may get both for christmas actually. Big smile
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Originally posted by Lark the Starless Lark the Starless wrote:

I prefer their Larks'/Red period myself.

Therefore, I don't find LTIA overrated.
 
Fantastic album.


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Originally posted by The Truth The Truth wrote:

Larks Tongues is actually the only Wetton album I've heard, but it's definitely a masterpiece. (I own it and every KC album before it, hope to get Starless and Bible Black soon.)



Skip that and go directly for Red if you want to remain on ***** level.
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Originally posted by topographicbroadways topographicbroadways wrote:

I am a massive fan of the first era of King Crimson (In the court - Islands) but am surprised at how few people mention that era on this forum and jump straight onto Larks Tongues only stopping to mention In The Court.

I have never been able to get into the larks tongues era the only song i really enjoy is Starless from Red i find this era a little to jazz fusion. I like jazz fusion but enjoy the old symphonic approach from crimson.

In my opinion Islands and In The Wake of Poseidon are King Crimsons masterpieces but i almost never see them mentioned.

So does anybody else prefer the symphonic era more than the more popular and discussed larks-Red era?
I can't begin to tell you the amount of times I have sat  in a room with a Redhead, a Larks ship in Red Sea, and a Starless and Holly Bible Black, playing the song "In The Court Of The Crimson King" and they turn and ask me "What is so great about this?"

The first 4 Crimson titles are dismissed by many fans of the Wetton/Bruford era. It's totally common. Especially Islands. People just love to rip it apart. I can only speak of the east coast in America. All 4 early Crimson period releases have been praised on Prog Achives......but, you have to research the archives. I tend to lean more toward your theory that a larger percentage of Crimson fans enjoy the Wetton/Bruford/Cross/Fripp era more. Larks can and has been overrated in the past. It's sometimes difficult to run across someone who is more fond of the early titles.
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Lark's Tongues isn't rated at all.  It's just a figment of your imagination.  A good one though.

By the way, you will like it, just don't get Starless And Bible Belt by mistake. Tongue


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Larks Tongues is actually the only Wetton album I've heard, but it's definitely a masterpiece. (I own it and every KC album before it, hope to get Starless and Bible Black soon.)
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I find the Wetton era overrated at PA. While I quite like Larks and Red I think they are short of masterpieces. My main problem is KC didn't really have a composition genius in the band once Sinfield left. I like their slow songs such as Nightwatchman, Book of Saturday and Exiles but there is not much else in regards to exicting melody. Their heavy stuff like Red and Larks title tracks are cool though. They relied more on experimenting and riffs. I'm not much of a fan of Wettons voice either. Starless is also a good track although it doesn't really blow me away. Larks and Red are quite good albums which I'd rate 8 or 8.5/10. I like Poseidon and Lizard equally good but i prefer the overall melodies on those 2. The albums Starless, Island and In the court are half cool imo. I can't fit KC among my fave 10 prog bands though. My 10 are:
 
tull
camel
gentle giant
genesis
caravan
yes
van der graaf
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zappa
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I'm a big fan of the Wetton-era stuff.  LTIA, SABB, Red.  This is remarkable music.  That said, I like the earlier stuff as well.  Lizard and Islands are worlds unto themselves.  Let's just not bring up the three of a perfect pair Wink
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Most certainly not.  I listen to quite a diverse group of KC albums pretty frequently and I'd say Larks' is not overrated.  It's not my favorite, but it is dominant.  Live KC from that period of time however...is the best.
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