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The Dark Elf 
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 Posted: March 30 2011 at 22:09 |
Corned Veal sounds good. I'm hungry.
Edit: By the way, it is "Karn Evil 9" on the ELP album I purchased back in the 70s (one of my favorite album covers, by the way). But why I wasted time to go look at it is anybody's guess.
Edited by The Dark Elf - March 30 2011 at 22:15
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Dean
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Posted: March 30 2011 at 17:20 |
What would you like me to check? I too have spent more time than is necessary searching the internet for references to Karn Eval - every one I've found so far appears to be a typographical error - there is nothing on any official site, database or listing. Every single occurance is in a freeform uneditted forum or uncorroborated review.
I can pull up several newspaper cuttings from 1973 from both the UK and the USA that call it "Karn Evil 9", we can do that if you like:
Here's one from Circus magazine dated 1974:
I have also pulled out my vinyl copy of Welcom Back My Friends, I could take a photo of that if you like.
But No. None of this is the problem. I really honestly seriously do not have a problem with Karn Evil being spelt Karn Eval or Karn Ival or Karne Veal or Chili-con-Karne any other variant. If you can find incontrovertible proof of such a thing then that really is a great piece of rock trivia.
My problem is with you. You are rude, obnoxious, arrogant and down right unfriendly - every single post from you is an angry incoherent rant that attempts to belittle anything anyone has said on any subject you care to grace us with a dip in your font of knowledge with, then replies to any serious responses you get with histrionics and tantrums. I asked how old you were because I haven't heard responses like you have given since I was in the infants school [ there's going to be a big"I TOLD YOU SO" ... come on, I'm 54 years old - I don't respond to playground bravado and I can't get my dad to beat up your dad because he's been dead 20 years]. We called you out as a troll - you know those beasties that trawl the internets stirring up trouble for snit and giggles - because even if you don't know what one is, that is exactly how you are behaving. So carry on calling us creeps and jokes, but do it elsewhere, not here.
Edited by Dean - March 30 2011 at 17:29
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: March 30 2011 at 17:06 |
 rematpac wrote:
Why don't you check up on just one thing I ever said to see if it's true or not?it's so little work and aren't you even curious that you might have been completely wrong about me?No ,you won't.Because then you'd have to face the truth about yourself. |
Keep digging that hole, buddy. You're bound to get through to the other side some time.
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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rematpac
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Posted: March 30 2011 at 16:45 |
Dean wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
rematpac wrote:
Them that do,do;them that can't do,teach;and them that can't teach ctiticize.And that's all you can do since you undoubtably can't play a note of real music.YOU are the failure.I just spent 2 hours looking through internet files on typos for Karn Eval 9 to try and solve the mystery.I found nothing to explain my paradox.I even contacted Greg Lake himself and may hopefully hear back from him someday.When I google Karn Eval 9,there are many websites with that spelling reffering to ELP.You can't tell me I got the one typo album and nobody else did.Since all you're capable of is to critisize others,you should have the solution.You are the failure and all you can do is print fail to someone else to make yourself feel like you're important.What a pathetic sick joke! |
Wrong thread. |
Wrong planet. |
Why don't you check up on just one thing I ever said to see if it's true or not?it's so little work and aren't you even curious that you might have been completely wrong about me?No ,you won't.Because then you'd have to face the truth about yourself.
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Dean
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Posted: March 30 2011 at 16:09 |
Snow Dog wrote:
rematpac wrote:
Them that do,do;them that can't do,teach;and them that can't teach ctiticize.And that's all you can do since you undoubtably can't play a note of real music.YOU are the failure.I just spent 2 hours looking through internet files on typos for Karn Eval 9 to try and solve the mystery.I found nothing to explain my paradox.I even contacted Greg Lake himself and may hopefully hear back from him someday.When I google Karn Eval 9,there are many websites with that spelling reffering to ELP.You can't tell me I got the one typo album and nobody else did.Since all you're capable of is to critisize others,you should have the solution.You are the failure and all you can do is print fail to someone else to make yourself feel like you're important.What a pathetic sick joke! |
Wrong thread. |
Wrong planet.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: March 30 2011 at 15:42 |
rematpac wrote:
Them that do,do;them that can't do,teach;and them that can't teach ctiticize.And that's all you can do since you undoubtably can't play a note of real music.YOU are the failure.I just spent 2 hours looking through internet files on typos for Karn Eval 9 to try and solve the mystery.I found nothing to explain my paradox.I even contacted Greg Lake himself and may hopefully hear back from him someday.When I google Karn Eval 9,there are many websites with that spelling reffering to ELP.You can't tell me I got the one typo album and nobody else did.Since all you're capable of is to critisize others,you should have the solution.You are the failure and all you can do is print fail to someone else to make yourself feel like you're important.What a pathetic sick joke! |
Wrong thread.
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rematpac
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Posted: March 30 2011 at 15:33 |
Them that do,do;them that can't do,teach;and them that can't teach ctiticize.And that's all you can do since you undoubtably can't play a note of real music.YOU are the failure.I just spent 2 hours looking through internet files on typos for Karn Eval 9 to try and solve the mystery.I found nothing to explain my paradox.I even contacted Greg Lake himself and may hopefully hear back from him someday.When I google Karn Eval 9,there are many websites with that spelling reffering to ELP.You can't tell me I got the one typo album and nobody else did.Since all you're capable of is to critisize others,you should have the solution.You are the failure and all you can do is print fail to someone else to make yourself feel like you're important.What a pathetic sick joke!
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Padraic
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Posted: March 30 2011 at 10:24 |
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stonebeard
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Posted: March 29 2011 at 23:01 |
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Any Colour You Like
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Posted: March 29 2011 at 22:58 |
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That's good to know about the # of posts elevating your status. I like it!  |
And when you get to 10,000, you can claim mental illness!
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sararocksprog
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Posted: March 29 2011 at 22:46 |
That's good to know about the # of posts elevating your status. I like it!
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lazland
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Posted: March 29 2011 at 14:00 |
Dean wrote:
 Pedro, this is Paul
 Paul, this is Pedro 
You two are going to get along real swell.  |
I do so enjoy coming onto PA in the evening. Posts like this make my day! 
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Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org
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Snow Dog
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Posted: March 29 2011 at 05:21 |
Dean wrote:
rematpac wrote:
when a senior member. |
Hey, you're going to be a senior member in 41 posts - it's not a badge of office - it's an automatic title change after 100 posts. |
He's already a member. 
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Dean
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Posted: March 29 2011 at 05:16 |
rematpac wrote:
when a senior member. |
Hey, you're going to be a senior member in 41 posts - it's not a badge of office - it's an automatic title change after 100 posts.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: March 29 2011 at 04:37 |
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Dean
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Posted: March 29 2011 at 04:27 |
Pedro, this is Paul
Paul, this is Pedro
You two are going to get along real swell.
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rematpac
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Posted: March 29 2011 at 03:37 |
 Moshkito,if you looK above half a page ,you'll see I already radically altered my view on the definition when a senior member pointed out the obvious realities and inconsistencies of my former close as possible text book definition.I didn't actually change my view ,no more than anything you've said changes it.Let me re-phrase it for you:prog rock is SUPPOSED to be rock music that is essentially about the music itself and not the extra commercilaized gimmicks that help originally sell it that are used to primarily sell other types of rock music,such as looks,clothes,attitude,age,etc.And in the end though,that is exactly why we still listen to an album like Close to the Edge almost 40 years later.We listen to it for the music and the music ONLY.And I know good and well that even Yes didn't write their music down(compose it),some of the members couldn't even read music!We don't listen to other albums that were even more popular back then because it wasn't the actual music that sold so many of them.We don't listen to music of any kind that was writtren 40 years ago for anything but the actual excellent quality of the music and THAT'S IT.
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rematpac
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Posted: March 29 2011 at 03:16 |
moshkito wrote:
rematpac wrote:
There is no confusion about the definition of prog at all! Nothing could be easier to understand! It's very simple,why people try to make something confusing about it is beyond me?Prog rock is music that is about the music only.That's it.... |
Remember you said that!
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The music is composed and played with one thing in mind-the music itself ,nothing else.The idea is to make music that is musically good and that is the ONLY consideration.
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That would be incorrect. Not all music is "composed" and a lot of the really early stuff was actually originally designed as an improvisation that later was concluded to be "composed" because it could be played on stage again!
It's easy, if you have a tape, and now you know what you did ... wow ... how creative!
There is a nasty stigma that something that is "improvised" is not considered music ... and one of the things that were being fought in those days, were exactly that ... and a lot of things in the really early days were about complete and outright experimentations and jams, and even the Grateful Dead used to do 6 hour concerts as late as possible and create many moods and things that most bands went on to do and try themselves ... but ... this "law" concept that things have to be composed is inacurate, because once you grab a handle on what you do, ANYONE can scribble it down on paper ... but no one was sitting there and writing the notes for "In a Gadda Da Vida" on paper because we were all too stoned enjoying the trip ... but that's not to say that the musicians did not know what they were playing because the German krautrock scene quickly disproves that and so did other scenes, even in France ... not to mention the exprimental nature of the arts in France ... you obviously have never heard of Godard, and he is a total parallel to the Berlin'os and their anti-western music ideas!
Progressive music, never was music for music's sake, or art for art's sake (thank you 10CC) ... it was no different than anything else out there, for the time and place ... with the blatant exception that we continue to discuss this and totally ignore the rest of the arts, the time and the place it was happening. If you do this parallel with the arts, the continuation and study of this illuminates a lot more than it hides ... but it takes the open mindedness and studiousness of many of us here ... and I sincerely doubt that most here are willing ... |
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Andy Webb
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Posted: March 28 2011 at 20:58 |
Prog = Prog
Make of it what you will.
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moshkito
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Posted: March 28 2011 at 20:28 |
rematpac wrote:
There is no confusion about the definition of prog at all! Nothing could be easier to understand! It's very simple,why people try to make something confusing about it is beyond me?Prog rock is music that is about the music only.That's it.... |
Remember you said that!
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The music is composed and played with one thing in mind-the music itself ,nothing else.The idea is to make music that is musically good and that is the ONLY consideration.
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That would be incorrect. Not all music is "composed" and a lot of the really early stuff was actually originally designed as an improvisation that later was concluded to be "composed" because it could be played on stage again!
It's easy, if you have a tape, and now you know what you did ... wow ... how creative!
There is a nasty stigma that something that is "improvised" is not considered music ... and one of the things that were being fought in those days, were exactly that ... and a lot of things in the really early days were about complete and outright experimentations and jams, and even the Grateful Dead used to do 6 hour concerts as late as possible and create many moods and things that most bands went on to do and try themselves ... but ... this "law" concept that things have to be composed is inacurate, because once you grab a handle on what you do, ANYONE can scribble it down on paper ... but no one was sitting there and writing the notes for "In a Gadda Da Vida" on paper because we were all too stoned enjoying the trip ... but that's not to say that the musicians did not know what they were playing because the German krautrock scene quickly disproves that and so did other scenes, even in France ... not to mention the exprimental nature of the arts in France ... you obviously have never heard of Godard, and he is a total parallel to the Berlin'os and their anti-western music ideas!
Progressive music, never was music for music's sake, or art for art's sake (thank you 10CC) ... it was no different than anything else out there, for the time and place ... with the blatant exception that we continue to discuss this and totally ignore the rest of the arts, the time and the place it was happening. If you do this parallel with the arts, the continuation and study of this illuminates a lot more than it hides ... but it takes the open mindedness and studiousness of many of us here ... and I sincerely doubt that most here are willing ...
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