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Posted: July 25 2012 at 09:24
dtguitarfan wrote:
Ok, so you know classical. So what. I'm not saying you are wrong to not love that girl's music, I'm saying that it's a bit harsh, don't you think, to say "bored after first minute"? You'd make a terrible judge at a talent show if that's how you feel, is what I'm saying. Her playing was very nice, you obviously just aren't into smooth jazz at all. Which is fine, but if you can't say something along the lines of "well, she's good, but that style of music isn't my thing, so I'd go with these 5 guitarists instead" then YES, you need to expand your horizons a bit and open up to the possibility that there is good music out there besides what's in your little world.
Personal story here: when I was a young pre-teen, my Dad used to take me along with him to Bluegrass festivals because my Grandparents loved them, and this was a way for us all to spend time together. I never liked Bluegrass, and I will never listen to it by choice even now. But I can say that every one of those festivals I went to, I enjoyed some of the music because I could recognize that these people were good at what they were doing. That's what I'm talking about: recognizing that your musical tastes are preference, and being able to look at someone who plays a style that is not your preference and say: "hmm, that person IS good at what they do, even if I don't like it all that much."
I don't understand where you get that I thought she was a bad player in my original post? I didn't like her playing and it did absolutely NOTHING for me regardless of what style it was. The style wasn't the problem, the girl's monotone soloing is what I had a problem with. Why can't you just accept my opinion instead of trying to turn every little thing I say into an unnecessary argument?
“Music is enough for a lifetime but a lifetime is not enough for music.” - Sergei Rachmaninov
You desperately need to expand your horizons then. That is not the usual style of music I seek out, but it was some fine playing. I wouldn't say "top 5" but that is a far cry from "bored after the first minute". Your parents never made you sit through symphonies or other forms of music you weren't into, did they? Probably didn't make you eat your broccoli either.
You desperately need to quit assuming you know me when you don't nor do you know my tastes in music. I simply stated that I didn't dig the girl's playing and found it boring. That's okay isn't it? I'm allowed to disagree with you right?
About classical music, I've learned more in the last three years than most people have their entire lives about this genre. I went head first into what I feel to be the greatest art that was ever imagined. My preference for 20th Century composers got me into some hot water on classical forums, but that's okay, I enjoy what I enjoy. Favorite composers: Shostakovich (obviously), Bartok, Ravel, Prokofiev, Villa-Lobos, Vaughan Williams, Koechlin, Stravinsky, Janacek, Sibelius, Szymanowski, Roussel, Ives, Copland, William Schuman, Milhaud, among others. Now, if you excuse me, I have to go get my head examined because apparently I need to "expand my horizons."
Ok, so you know classical. So what. I'm not saying you are wrong to not love that girl's music, I'm saying that it's a bit harsh, don't you think, to say "bored after first minute"? You'd make a terrible judge at a talent show if that's how you feel, is what I'm saying. Her playing was very nice, you obviously just aren't into smooth jazz at all. Which is fine, but if you can't say something along the lines of "well, she's good, but that style of music isn't my thing, so I'd go with these 5 guitarists instead" then YES, you need to expand your horizons a bit and open up to the possibility that there is good music out there besides what's in your little world. Personal story here: when I was a young pre-teen, my Dad used to take me along with him to Bluegrass festivals because my Grandparents loved them, and this was a way for us all to spend time together. I never liked Bluegrass, and I will never listen to it by choice even now. But I can say that every one of those festivals I went to, I enjoyed some of the music because I could recognize that these people were good at what they were doing. That's what I'm talking about: recognizing that your musical tastes are preference, and being able to look at someone who plays a style that is not your preference and say: "hmm, that person IS good at what they do, even if I don't like it all that much."
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Posted: July 24 2012 at 22:26
Triceratopsoil wrote:
someone disagreed with me they are so stupid how can u be so dum
I'm not too worried about dtguitarfan. He simply chose to lash out at me because I didn't enjoy something that he did. I think the girl is going to become a good player in time. She just has to get out of this lick after lick frame of mind. I even went through this at a young age on guitar, but I quickly got over this when I heard Andy Summers for the first time. Here was a guy that didn't need to impress people with his guitar chops. He was into harmony and finding ways to fit his heavy jazz influence into a rock format. His guitar work on The Police's albums, especially Ghost in the Machine and Synchonicity still excites and inspires me today. I'm into a different kind of guitar playing. Sometimes I'm interested in what hasn't been stated musically. I recall a question with jazz guitarist Jim Hall when he was asked what is he currently listening to and he said "Nothing right now. I prefer silence."
Edited by Mirror Image - July 24 2012 at 22:29
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Posted: July 24 2012 at 22:02
dtguitarfan wrote:
Mirror Image wrote:
I was bored after the first minute. She's still a young person though and has a lot of growing up to do.
You desperately need to expand your horizons then. That is not the usual style of music I seek out, but it was some fine playing. I wouldn't say "top 5" but that is a far cry from "bored after the first minute". Your parents never made you sit through symphonies or other forms of music you weren't into, did they? Probably didn't make you eat your broccoli either.
someone disagreed with me they are so stupid how can u be so dum
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Posted: July 24 2012 at 19:41
Dayvenkirq wrote:
^ So, what you are saying is that we are off-the-topic. Didn't notice I was crossing the line there. No, wait ... someone else started this argument. A-a-a-a-ah, who cares.
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Posted: July 24 2012 at 19:38
dtguitarfan wrote:
You desperately need to expand your horizons then. That is not the usual style of music I seek out, but it was some fine playing. I wouldn't say "top 5" but that is a far cry from "bored after the first minute". Your parents never made you sit through symphonies or other forms of music you weren't into, did they? Probably didn't make you eat your broccoli either.
You desperately need to quit assuming you know me when you don't nor do you know my tastes in music. I simply stated that I didn't dig the girl's playing and found it boring. That's okay isn't it? I'm allowed to disagree with you right?
About classical music, I've learned more in the last three years than most people have their entire lives about this genre. I went head first into what I feel to be the greatest art that was ever imagined. My preference for 20th Century composers got me into some hot water on classical forums, but that's okay, I enjoy what I enjoy. Favorite composers: Shostakovich (obviously), Bartok, Ravel, Prokofiev, Villa-Lobos, Vaughan Williams, Koechlin, Stravinsky, Janacek, Sibelius, Szymanowski, Roussel, Ives, Copland, William Schuman, Milhaud, among others. Now, if you excuse me, I have to go get my head examined because apparently I need to "expand my horizons."
Edited by Mirror Image - July 24 2012 at 19:39
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Posted: July 24 2012 at 19:35
^ So, what you are saying is that we are off-the-topic. Didn't notice I was crossing the line there. No, wait ... someone else started this argument. A-a-a-a-ah, who cares.
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Posted: July 24 2012 at 18:50
Dayvenkirq wrote:
^ OK, there must be some misunderstanding, there must be some kind of a mistake, I wai... no, I'll stop right here.
What we were saying is that immense, just grand, technical skill is not everything. I hoped that people would understand the message. I have yet to tackle the issue of songwriting. The Beatles could do without much technicality. Nickie Drake could do without much skill on "River Man", right? Got that straight.
yeah, and I agree, but for the third time; people
understand emotionality is important, but this discussion was not
supposed to be about that until it was hijacked by the "Hey y'know
emotion is as or more important than technique, you troglodytes!" crowd.
I was bored after the first minute. She's still a young person though and has a lot of growing up to do.
You desperately need to expand your horizons then. That is not the usual style of music I seek out, but it was some fine playing. I wouldn't say "top 5" but that is a far cry from "bored after the first minute". Your parents never made you sit through symphonies or other forms of music you weren't into, did they? Probably didn't make you eat your broccoli either.
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Posted: July 24 2012 at 18:42
^ OK, there must be some misunderstanding, there must be some kind of a mistake, I wai... no, I'll stop right here.
What we were saying is that immense, just grand, technical skill is not everything. I hoped that people would understand the message. I have yet to tackle the issue of songwriting. The Beatles could do without much technicality. Nickie Drake could do without much skill on "River Man", right? Got that straight.
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Posted: July 24 2012 at 15:32
dtguitarfan wrote:
Atavachron wrote:
^ Meh
THERE'S the pretentious prog snob attitude - if you can't find any level of "wow, those guys are good" from those videos, then you need to open yourself up to the fact that there are more than one style of music out there, and people in styles you don't like may still be very skilled.
I think Atavachron meant it as a joke ... or not. Either way, I don't care. If it could qualify as an implication, then I think it's a rather weak one. And skill is not everything, in case if you didn't know that.
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