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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 10 2014 at 07:34
Hi Toaster, you may find that the book is more about Siouxsie creating a market for herself than it is about reality. ;-) 

Again, marketing 1, reality 0. "Show me the underground". It appears to have vanished under a sea of money. ;-)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2014 at 14:31
Originally posted by TODDLER TODDLER wrote:

Originally posted by Toaster Mantis Toaster Mantis wrote:

Space Bandits is underrated. It's at first somewhat odd hearing Hawkwind with a female vocalist, but I don't mind it. Actually, Wishart's vocals kinda remind me of Siouxsie Sioux... who in turn I think is a Hawkfan herself, how's that for post-post-modern?



I like this one! I saw this tour and I believe it was at the "Ambler Cafe" or "The Chestnut in P.A.  Wishart put on this amazing show with masks and various outfits. As the Hawkwind members would begin to jam, she would quickly run to the back dressing room and dress up like another character for the next song...unlike what you see on the only official concert dvd which features her as the front vocalist. Although I don't recall the title of that dvd, I've seen it so many times and it is nothing like the show I saw in P.A. She appeared in recent years on a Karda Estra release. 


I'm also reading a Siouxsie biography right now, and apparently she's a huge fan of old sci-fi horror movies with quite a few of the more experimental elements in her music coming from trying to adapt that fantastic film soundtrack feel to the context of guitar-based rock music. Maybe it's more of a case of parallel evolution? So far she doesn't mention Hawkwind yet as an inspiration as much as the usual suspects of The Velvet Underground and David Bowie's collaborations with Brian Eno. Beefheart and Zappa too, maybe the occasional Krautrock band as well.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2014 at 11:48
Nick Turner released Sphinx in 78' which was the readings/excerpts from the "Egyptian Book Of The Dead". I bought an import copy of the album in "Third Street Jazz and Rock" , Philadelphia P.A. and I noticed immediately that Steve Hillage appeared on it, so it was an exciting experience to hear it. I remember entering all those "New Age" shops in the 80's that insisted on playing cassette tapes of music that was very much "Sugar Art". To place less value in that means the same as placing lesser value in your car because it was more about product  than art. Some ridiculous sugar contrived version of the Egyptian Book Of The Dead backed by cheesy "New Age" drone tone keyboard settings instead of a sound that is sincerely creative from Brian Eno's Music For Films. You'd  think they would have enough sense to play Nick Turner's Sphinx, but no...that is not the point in question after all. Disapprove

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2014 at 07:25
Originally posted by Aussie-Byrd-Brother Aussie-Byrd-Brother wrote:

Yeah, great DVD that one all the same, I think it was the `Classic Rock Legends' release with the blue cover, Toddler?

Wish she'd appeared on more than one studio album as the lead.

I'm so ancient..I probably had it on VHS too. She didn't stay around for too long and I believe when she left the band she returned to a teaching position. I'm not sure of the details, but I get the impression that she may have been a teacher all along. I'm not sure if she was teaching in public schools or participating in children's workshops. She appears to be an interesting character.i believe that she plays keyboards on 1 track only...from Weird Tales by Karda Estra. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2014 at 17:24
Yeah, great DVD that one all the same, I think it was the `Classic Rock Legends' release with the blue cover, Toddler?

Wish she'd appeared on more than one studio album as the lead.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2014 at 09:52
Originally posted by Toaster Mantis Toaster Mantis wrote:

Space Bandits is underrated. It's at first somewhat odd hearing Hawkwind with a female vocalist, but I don't mind it. Actually, Wishart's vocals kinda remind me of Siouxsie Sioux... who in turn I think is a Hawkfan herself, how's that for post-post-modern?



I like this one! I saw this tour and I believe it was at the "Ambler Cafe" or "The Chestnut in P.A.  Wishart put on this amazing show with masks and various outfits. As the Hawkwind members would begin to jam, she would quickly run to the back dressing room and dress up like another character for the next song...unlike what you see on the only official concert dvd which features her as the front vocalist. Although I don't recall the title of that dvd, I've seen it so many times and it is nothing like the show I saw in P.A. She appeared in recent years on a Karda Estra release. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2014 at 07:13
We're friends on Facebook. She asked if I'd like to buy her wind synth. I said thankyouno. ;-)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2014 at 04:04
Space Bandits is underrated. It's at first somewhat odd hearing Hawkwind with a female vocalist, but I don't mind it. Actually, Wishart's vocals kinda remind me of Siouxsie Sioux... who in turn I think is a Hawkfan herself, how's that for post-post-modern?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2014 at 03:23
Hell yeah !! Ms. Wishart.......
Have Bandits & PS as LP - Brainstorm on CD     (though I don't believe it made it to vinyl).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2014 at 01:27
"Palace Springs" and "California Brainstorm" are a good live pair, Tom! Might have to give them a new spin again later tonight. Love me some `Space Bandits' too!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 07 2014 at 08:00
Tom, if you never noticed the changes, perhaps you need a little more of a critical ear and less hero worship. 

But - we all have our different tastes, so I'll leave the "modern Hawkwind fans" to it. Chacun a son gout. 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 07 2014 at 05:51
^ Sure - I can live with that. I am 42, I do adore In Search Of Space when it comes to early Hawks, now that's something out-of-this-world. Space Ritual is exciting, yet coming into the album around 16 years after its creation, well, I'm already thinking in 'modern' terms. I never witnessed their changes (or slide into mediocrity from your POV) as they happened. You won't change my mind, I won't change yours, no problem. No-one's trying. I'm just really surprised you don't dig most of their output....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 07 2014 at 04:20
Tom, I'm a multi-instrumentalist who's been playing 40 years. I completely appreciate, ie. understand, what Hawkwind are doing on LSD. 
It's rubbish. Sorry.

Try putting on the Roadhawks version of "You shouldn't do that" for some REAL Hawkwind. I'm saying the old stuff is innovative, well played and imaginative. You're saying the new stuff is good, and then quoting tracks from 20 year old albums...... Electric Teepee came out in 1994. Mind you, they'd been totally dreadful for many years before that. 

I think you have to be in your mid to late 50's to understand what happened to Hawkwind - to actually see the complete degeneration from an unusual, creative and revolutionary band who reflected the spirit of an era to the current .....  state of affairs. 

Looks like we'll have to agree to disagree. :-)





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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 07 2014 at 03:32
Davesax - you can't appreciate the Tepee opener LSD ?? Man, Davey is a wicked bassist, (Lemmy is pretty darn good too....) - I always thought that the bulk of Tepee was what I've always wanted to hear from HAWKWIND.......
.......maybe that's it - what 'the masses' ( not that I consider myself part of this herd...), but what 'they' wanted to hear.....

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 07 2014 at 03:23
I'd honestly start with Space Ritual, as that was what defined Hawkwind - the high water mark. 

Listened to some new stuff, and it does utterly nothing for me. Simple, badly played and with fag-packet lyrics. A parody of what they used to be, nothing innovative or unusual. Still, some people like it. Some people like boy bands. 

Contrast and compare - Tangerine Dream. 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 06 2014 at 17:43
Electric Tepee - despite the over-production (kind of swampy, 80's hangover production) is the last true 5 star masterpiece - (Business Of The Future is a fraction behind for me). The new 'version' of HAWKWIND with Dibs on bass is still an improvement on the last few years. A tune such as Wraith (off Blood Of The Earth) recalls a bit of their Punky late-70's vibe. There's much controversy over Brock and his 'business', but I really am sucked into the world of the Hawks, no matter what intentions/motivations are behind it all. I guess that makes me a fan, not a purist, and there's no right or wrong with either....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 06 2014 at 17:31

Originally posted by Rihanna Rihanna wrote:

I have never herd of the band, can you recommend a song or two?

Best not to!

I like to suggest their material in order ... starting with "In Search of Space", and go in order. There is an incredible bunch of changes and improvement in the material that is magnificent, specially how they developed the instrumental pieces, that at first were minor, but by the time you hear "Electric Tepee", they are major ... absolutely major.

I like "Space Ritual" and not just because I was there and saw it! But I like the later Hawkwind even better. I find "Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music", fantastic and the two main cuts are amazingly outstanding and totally WITH IT! "Reefer Madness" and "Steppenwolf" are not even found on many of their live albums, which ought to tell you that there was something so special here that it could not be done anywhere by anyone else.

After this, I can not get off my drives, "Electric Tepee". This was the time when Hawkwind started mixing in what might be considered ambient music, and it is a total sonic attack and then some of the hardest rock and asault imaginable, and I do not think that most people can handle it, and enjoy it as such. I happen to love it, and if they do not play one cut at my funeral, all the folks there will be cursed forever! And I will blame Dean for not bringing in the incense and peppermint!

I have not quite listened to the later stuff as much, mostly because it is really hard to tell what is new stuff or old stuff re-hashed, and I'm not interested in another version of "Master of the Universe". But I can blast out "Electric Tepee" like crazy ... it's also very with it ... folks don't like the ending bit ... and guess what we do here? ... we have an old fashioned rock music pow wow!!!!!

That, in essence, really is what Hawkwind is about.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 06 2014 at 06:46
Thanks, Tom - 

Try the rest of the album. Another two tracks to it. 
and the main one

It's such a shame about Hawkwind. The creativity and integrity of the early 1970's is what hooked me, the early experimentation.... and then it all gets ruined by cash.

But then again, it's very true of so many other bands. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 06 2014 at 03:54
Originally posted by Davesax1965 Davesax1965 wrote:

<span style="line-height: 18.2000007629395px;">PS Space rock sax track - me playing all instruments apart from slide guitar.</span><div style="line-height: 18.2000007629395px;">http://brotherhoodofthemachine.bandcamp.com/track/meditation-of-the-blue-serpent-4<div style="line-height: 18.2000007629395px;">
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<div style="line-height: 18.2000007629395px;">This one, to be precise. 1956 Conn 16M "Director" tenor. ;-)<div style="line-height: 18.2000007629395px;">


pretty cool Space Drones with Turner-esque Middle-Eastern sax. Nice job, Davesax
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 06 2014 at 03:18
I'm really loving Space Gypsy.
Xitintoday is one of the finest space-trips ever.
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