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TODDLER 
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 Posted: January 17 2014 at 08:20 |
I'm really going off thread to announce some insight on my personal experience with the social environment in 1971, but hell....we are on the subject of Iommi so be it. In 71' I was 15 years old, had just purchased the first Black Sabbath album...and was attempting to learn the songs on guitar like a few other kids in my age group. There were hippies all around me and not just my older sister's friends..but in school. They were seniors and when we brought our albums to school for music class...they picked on us. I still recall those shrude remarks at age 15 ...."Hey kid...that album you have?" "It really sucks!" "That guitar player is horrible!" "He can't play like Clapton". Clapton is God had only been written on a wall in London England (I believe?), a few years before and the majority of the hippie movement made fun of bands like Sabbath and linked them in with the NO TALENT of Grand Funk Railroad.
The pressure was on us from the hippies to dislike the music of Sabbath. If you listen to the band Mountain playing "Blood of the Sun" on the Woodstock recordings, after the applause there is silence...where upon some snooty character screams out very clearly...."They suck!" Many hippies on the east coast of the U.S. disliked the heavier bands and hated the fact that they would over throw the more melodic psychedelic and British Blues Boom scene. All of my sister's hippie friends complained about it at my parents house. That was a strange time for a 15 year old to live in. I liked Peter Green , Mike Bloomfield, and John Mayall....but Sabbath seemed like it invaded their good time. Now...that is strange to think of. It seems like a reality that never existed and it surely did. I wonder if that went down in England as well?
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Posted: January 17 2014 at 08:04 |
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As a guitar player, I respect Iommi and he was kinda impressive with his hand. But Fripp is Fripp, he's the badass amongst badasses
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Posted: January 17 2014 at 07:58 |
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Is Iommis playing technic, is it alternate picking or crosspicking, he is verry delicate and elegant in his lefthand playing, intricate |
I don't really know for sure, but I remember watching Iommi in the summer of 74' when the T.V. broadcasted California Jam. His left hand seemed to be very independent. A more complex version of that style of playing can sometimes be sampled with Alan Holdsworth....where a guitarist chooses to play many notes and only striking with the pick once or twice and of course using sustain or distortion to enhance the ringing out of the notes. By the time Heaven and Hell was released Iommi seemed to be using the pick more though. I recall hearing that.
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Posted: January 16 2014 at 22:45 |
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Gotta go with Tommy
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Posted: January 16 2014 at 22:16 |
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Well, if we are talking as Prog guitarist than Fripp, no question.
Iommi is a heavy metal guitarist and he's better at making killer riffs.
If you want to talk technique than that's also Fripp by a mile. Fripp's right-hand picking technique is at a level that maybe only a handful of guitarists in the world could replicate.
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Posted: January 16 2014 at 18:40 |
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Is Iommis playing technic, is it alternate picking or crosspicking, he is verry delicate and elegant in his lefthand playing, intricate
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Posted: January 16 2014 at 17:57 |
AEProgman wrote:
^ Nice insight Toddler!
This Apples and Oranges to me, so I pick both...
I almost referenced a poor attempt at humor with The Who's - Tommy in here, but I see Aginor has had enough grief.....  |
at leat Robert did not become Roger Froop
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Posted: January 16 2014 at 17:53 |
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Fripp is better but I like Sabbath more during the 70s.
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All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock.
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Posted: January 16 2014 at 15:59 |
^ Nice insight Toddler!
This Apples and Oranges to me, so I pick both...
I almost referenced a poor attempt at humor with The Who's - Tommy in here, but I see Aginor has had enough grief.....
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Posted: January 16 2014 at 08:45 |
They are both innovators of inventive styles on guitar that changed the way music was being played prior to the surfacing of the 2 in the music business. They are both important regarding change.
Technique is a entire different observation. First of all...Fripp was very schooled or sounded extremely schooled dating back to 68' on the Giles, Giles, & Fripp album. Tony Iommi had a short spell with Jethro Tull during that time and I'm unsure if he was to Fripp's level then. I believe he appears on the film "Rock n' Roll Circus"? Fripp had an amazing technique early on with cross picking 24 notes of the Tri Tone ..Devil's interval and then in reverse with absolute precision like a Jazz guitarist. I'm unsure if Tony Iommi was playing this sort of guitar style and it's possible that Fripp was more advanced.
Iommi may have had no interest in playing that way and in some sense..it is pointless to bring this to the table..however ..it comes to mind due to the extreme difference between the 2 of them regarding technique. Iommi had damaged his hand and he had a lot going for him in the area of re-development. He must get credit for that because it's a task that many musicians may have dismissed and threw in the towel. Iommi progressed as a player on Heaven & Hell. That was obvious. He even changed his sound a bit. His licks were faster and cleaner by that point in time. Fripp had been playing pieces by Paganini in the 60's and Iommi may have been playing more of a Blues style then...which...is self explanatory as to how he may have impressed Jethro Tull and got the gig. What I've heard from Mick Abrahams on This Was really didn't differ all that much from Iommi's abilities as a guitarist. Martin Barre also added a heavy attack on bass strings...just like Iommi did on Master of Reality. Iommi had a "hot lick" style where he added trills between note passages and it was appealing for the times. He may be more progressive than any of us are aware of today. I pick both.
Edited by TODDLER - January 16 2014 at 12:22
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Posted: January 16 2014 at 06:41 |
Thanks, i show my blunt ignorance 
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Posted: January 16 2014 at 06:20 |
I corrected the thread title.
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“The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.”
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Posted: January 16 2014 at 06:14 |
verslibre wrote:
Two wildly different, groundbreaking guitarists in two different genres |
Exactly, so a comparison?  These two guys could arguably be described as the inventors of their particular genres, so their influence within progressive rock & heavy metal cannot be understated. Further, they're both still writing & performing music to (varied) critical acclaim. The masters:  
Edited by Jim Garten - January 16 2014 at 06:15
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Posted: January 16 2014 at 03:22 |
I am not reading wrong, he's edited it since my post (which is why the OP says "fixed" and has an edit).
The least you can do is get the guy's name right.
Edited by chopper - January 16 2014 at 03:23
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Posted: January 16 2014 at 02:25 |
Horizons wrote:
Everything King Crimson related > Everything Black Sabbath related.
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This but in reverse
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Posted: January 15 2014 at 14:59 |
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Tom Me Oh My !
Alright, only joking, Frippin Heck!
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Posted: January 15 2014 at 14:46 |
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Fripp.
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Posted: January 15 2014 at 11:40 |
chopper wrote:
Who the hell is Tommy Iommy? |
You are reading wrong. "Tommy Iommi" is written here. So, the surname is correct at least.
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Posted: January 14 2014 at 19:12 |
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Fripp
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Posted: January 14 2014 at 18:49 |
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Robert. The man has given us different worlds of guitar music.
Edited by Dayvenkirq - January 14 2014 at 18:53
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