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Tony R
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Posted: August 31 2005 at 17:36 |
Snow Dog wrote:
Can we not call a black person a looter anymore then, when he is looting?
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Dont be thick. Negative stereotyping anyone?
We are discussing media bias here.The original post was about the contrast in the reporting of the two very similar images. The black guy was sensible enough to put his life-preserving provisions in a waterproof bag.He had also left money for the goods in the shop he took them from.
Prove me wrong.....
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Snow Dog
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Posted: August 31 2005 at 17:35 |
Tony R wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
Calm down Tony. You are being the intolerent one here. Let people express themselves as they wish! |
 
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Never mind!
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James Lee
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Posted: August 31 2005 at 17:33 |
^ specific societies are naturally intolerant, and prog society is
largely a bunch of white males. So no, I don't think there's good
reason for hope.
Luckily many of us here have the brains to realize that ours is not the
only outlook, and some of us even consider the possibility that the
situation can improve.
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Peter
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Posted: August 31 2005 at 17:33 |
Bottom line -- I think such topics (floods, war, religion, politics, etc.) drag this forum down, as an increasing number here are not worthy (or even capable) of discussing them in any appropriate or constructive fashion. (That's why I usually avoid them.)
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy.
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Tony R
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Posted: August 31 2005 at 17:31 |
Snow Dog wrote:
Calm down Tony. You are being the intolerent one here. Let people express themselves as they wish! |
 
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Snow Dog
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Posted: August 31 2005 at 17:30 |
Can we not call a black person a looter anymore then, when he is looting?
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Peter
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Posted: August 31 2005 at 17:25 |
There was a time when we debated whether or not to permit the discussion of any and all non-music-related topics here. At the time, I advocated limiting things to music, but "freedom of speech" carried the day, and I understood the principle behind that line of thinking, and came to accept it.
Now, I'm not so sure my stance wasn't right in the first place -- these kinds of controversial topics (and there have been many such, lately), on an internet that grants anonymity and unaccountability, provide the perfect platform for the hateful and moronic to spew their poison.
I know, Tony R, that you (and others) passionately defend the right to discuss (almost) anything here, and I do understand why, but an increasing number of the youngsters (either in age, or intellect/wisdom) flocking to this site lack the brains and humanity to discuss such matters in any meaningful, constructive way.
Between the racism displayed here, and the misogynism to be found on the last few pages of the Mariah thread ("The Doctor" is a notable offender), this place just seems to get worse and worse.
I don't know if I should blame "progmetal" for this trend, or if ever-increasing numbers of western youth lack all sense, reason and fellow-feeling, but this forum is truly starting to sicken me.
Do we have any hope of attracting (and retaining) people of colour, sensitivity, wisdom, or the opposite sex here?
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: August 31 2005 at 17:25 |
Calm down Tony. You are being the intolerent one here. Let people express themselves as they wish!
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Tony R
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Posted: August 31 2005 at 17:10 |
Ok this is my post in another thread:
Hmmm,yet another day when racism reared its ugly head on the forum.

This is a perfect example of media racism and the kind of thing that is all to prevelant in th UK in daily newspapers like The Express,Mail and Star.
dumbass wrote:
I'm not saying only blacks loot or that all blacks loot, but some do, and they are doing it right now. | | |
dillusional dumbass wrote:
you misunderstood me. I said some blacks loot, and some whites loot. Look at my statement again. | | |
unbelievably stupid wrote:
I 'ave to agree. People are too anti-racist minded these days. You can't say anything with out someone pointing a finger at you and screamning "racist." I'm not a racist, but people need to stop jumping to conclusions o'er such trivial matters, when there are much bigger things going on. | | |
just in case you missed the fact that I am unbelievably stupid wrote:
That's exactly what I think. How can we judge these two articles when they are written by completely diferent people (I assume) . It's not like the one reporter saw the other article and thought "I'll use the word 'find' instead of 'loot' because the people in my article are white." It's complete nonsense. | | |
This humble commentator believes both these forum members should pause before posting their opinions.A pause of about 25 years would probably suffice...
One more post on this subject would qualify them for a "too much posting" award!!!
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Posted: August 31 2005 at 17:08 |
Scrambled_Eggs wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
No it doesnt because these
two seperate articles have been put together by MO. We don't know if
the same person wrote it anyway! |
That's exactly what I think. How can we judge these two articles
when they are written by completely diferent people (I assume) . It's
not like the one reporter saw the other article and thought "I'll use
the word 'find' instead of 'loot' because the people in my article are
white." It's complete nonsense.
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In SE's defense, that's exactly what I was saying- racism can be conscious or
unconscious, and unconscious racism isn't much more than instinct and
environment. You can't come down on people too hard for not
overthinking every single word or deed- all the political correctness
garbage proved is that you have to actually address problems, not
simply change the way you refer to them.
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Tony R
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Posted: August 31 2005 at 17:07 |
marktheshark wrote:
Tony R wrote:
Nets and Scrambled Eggs.
Let's not mince words here: you are either both racists or f**kwits.Or both.
Hang your empty heads in shame,you are a disgrace to yourselves,your culture and this forum.
You ignorant bastards!
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Have you read their posts in this thread????????????????????
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Garion81
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Posted: August 31 2005 at 17:02 |
marktheshark wrote:
Everybody loots and I really don't care about food being looted. It's going to go bad anyway and they need it. So let' em have it.
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Yeah, I found Tony R looting my 'Fridge the other night. 
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"What are you going to do when that damn thing rusts?"
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marktheshark
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Posted: August 31 2005 at 17:02 |
Tony R wrote:
Nets and Scrambled Eggs.
Let's not mince words here: you are either both racists or f**kwits.Or both.
Hang your empty heads in shame,you are a disgrace to yourselves,your culture and this forum.
You ignorant bastards!
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What the hell are you talking about now Tony? Care to elaborate.
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Tony R
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Posted: August 31 2005 at 16:58 |
Nets and Scrambled Eggs.
Let's not mince words here: you are either both racists or f**kwits.Or both.
Hang your empty heads in shame,you are a disgrace to yourselves,your culture and this forum.
You ignorant bastards!
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Scrambled_Eggs
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Posted: August 31 2005 at 16:41 |
Snow Dog wrote:
No it doesnt because these two seperate articles have been put together by MO. We don't know if the same person wrote it anyway! |
That's exactly what I think. How can we judge these two articles when they are written by completely diferent people (I assume) . It's not like the one reporter saw the other article and thought "I'll use the word 'find' instead of 'loot' because the people in my article are white." It's complete nonsense.
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And I am not frightened of dying, any time will do, I
don't mind. Why should I be frightened of dying?
There's no reason for it, you've gotta go sometime.
I never said I was frightened of dying.
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Ben2112
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Posted: August 31 2005 at 16:36 |
The Doctor wrote:
Holy sh*t. If I didn't know better I would think that was the Doctor posing as a guest to say that. Anyway, people who hide behind the "guest" name to say such inflamatory and offensive things are ignorant and cowardly. Come on, if you had any balls you would say that without hiding your identity. |
I agree with the gist of your message, but people don't post as "Guest". That is just the name given to all people's messages after they have been banned. And obviously, the Admins were on the ball as it didn't take very long.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: August 31 2005 at 15:53 |
No it doesnt because these two seperate articles have been put together by MO. We don't know if the same person wrote it anyway!
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stripthesoul
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Posted: August 31 2005 at 15:38 |
Snow Dog wrote:
^ Its not prejudice, he has been looting! |
It wouldn't be prejudice if both the whites and blacks were said to be
looting. But it certainly is prejudice if the blacks are looting
and the whites are "finding." That clearly shows an opinion that
the blacks are doing something worse than the whites.
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NetsNJFan
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Posted: August 31 2005 at 15:31 |
Snow Dog wrote:
^ Its not prejudice, he has been looting!
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i agree
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Snow Dog
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Posted: August 31 2005 at 15:21 |
^ Its not prejudice, he has been looting!
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