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Vompatti ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: October 22 2005 Location: elsewhere Status: Offline Points: 67468 |
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ...but seriously, I really don't know. |
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Peace Frog ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 17 2005 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 994 |
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Okay, government sucks and that is my opinion. I am against government, I don't like the concept of it, and I think it steals from citizens. It puts restrictions on our true opinions (well, those of us who are smart enough to have them), and it makes our society stricter and more angry towards those who have unconventional careers, drop out of school, etc. |
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Moogtron III ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: April 26 2005 Location: Belgium Status: Offline Points: 10616 |
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It's interesting to find out how that comes. Trapped in a machinery, or power that corrupts, or you have to have a real strong personality as well as good ideas... In the '80's there were big protests in Holland against the use of nuclear power. The government offered a broad discussion for everyone. The protesters could choose: either they accepted the offer to participate in the organised discussion, or they didn't. If they did, they had to adapt themselves a bit to the discussion as presented by the government. If they didn't, they would keep their independence, but lose influence. It split the group of protesters eventually in two, and the discussion provided the nation with a big report, which collected dust on some peoples book shelves. Just an example to show how ideals can be transformed in the political machine. |
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BaldFriede ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: June 02 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 10266 |
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In our opinion it sucks. The problem is: No matter whom we would have voted, it would still have sucked. Politicians all fail to see the real problems. Or if they do they don't see the real solution. Though it is not as if there are no solutions around; there are a lot of interesting models for solving the main problems. But they are all "utopian". No-one dares to make some real changes to the basic system. |
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Figglesnout ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: November 26 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1455 |
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speaking of--how is germany's government? does it hold up well or what? |
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I'm a reasonable man, get off my case
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Page to Squire ![]() Forum Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: December 03 2005 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 79 |
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republic=democracy. You cant have an undemocratic republic. But you can get democratically elected tyrannies.
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I talk to the wind... It tells me to burn things
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Moogtron III ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: April 26 2005 Location: Belgium Status: Offline Points: 10616 |
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I do believe in Montesquieu's trias politica, even though I think that most democracies don't have that in a pure form. I think every political system has it's weak spots, but democracy seems to me the least harmful. I think one of the main dangers in democracy is that any idiot with charisma can become the nation's powerful man / woman. |
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BaldFriede ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: June 02 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 10266 |
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Germany is both a republic and a democracy. The seperation of the 3 powers is part of the German constitution, and the word "republic" even appears in the full name of Germany, "Federal Republic of Germany". These two terms do not exclude each other at all.
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Figglesnout ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: November 26 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1455 |
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yeah. that's not what they teach in the textbooks though. i should've known when they defined anarchy as "lawlessness and disorder" which it isn't at all. hold on and i'll look up teh definitions in my current tetbook. republic- supported in Rosseau's book The Social Contract, which states that the government should be ruled by the people, not the people by the government. democracy- a form of government which applies seperation of powers among the three branches of goverment; the executive, legislative, and judicial branches. This form of government met it's origins in Montesquieu's book The Spirit of the Law. so there you go. Textbook's suck i suppose.
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BaldFriede ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: June 02 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 10266 |
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that's not the definition of them though. re·pub·lic ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() n.
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Atkingani ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: October 21 2005 Location: Terra Brasilis Status: Offline Points: 12291 |
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Thomas Payne, one of the American revolutionaries (although he was English) once said: "all Government is a theft", maybe he inspired the anarchist Proudhon that said: "all property is a theft". Perhaps "anarchism", not anarchy, should be the future form of society organization, if we don't perish before reaching this status.
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Figglesnout ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: November 26 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1455 |
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well, i was usuing each like so: democracy has the three branches (basically the US govt) and republic as elected ambassadors end etc. a democracy without 3 specific branches. i find a huge flaw in democracies. it all depends on human value but, in a democracy the government is given too much power on the get-go--or else the US democracy wouldn't have ever become as corrupt as it is. there is the ability to, within the "constitution", change whatever officials don't like. it began as a well-meant system (in my opinion, and i'm only 16 so i doubt many people will take me seriously) and has deteriorated into a corrupt, limited (rights...), and politician controlled system. it annoys me to such a point that i already plan to move outside of the country as soon as i can. the only still barely intact is freedom of religion. perhaps i am young and dumb. who knows. still, all the better for people to answer this poll. educate me. |
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BaldJean ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: May 28 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 10387 |
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"democracy" and "republic" are not exclusive terms. there are republics that are democracies. Germany, for example
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Figglesnout ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: November 26 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1455 |
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i know a few are dated and i left soem out because they are endless and i didn't wanna make it huge. that's why the 'other' option is there. please explain yourself. as for me, i'll wait a while before i tell you my beliefs.
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