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Points: 9869 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 30 2010 at 18:47
If you say Starless is the only song you like from the whole Wetton era, maybe you need to listen some more to Red album first?  Fallen Angel, the title track and One More Red Nightmare are not in JR/F territory and are surely very worthy?  Fallen Angel in particular is even more haunting than the Lake-era ballads.  Anyway, no, I don't think Larks is overrated at all but it's more freeform which means maybe some people won't get it or maybe they would expect something more structured like ITCOCK and feel disappointed. But for what it is, it's an amazing album.
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Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

LTIA is a great album. The word overrated is, IMHO, extremely overrated.
My sentiments exactly.


+1

+2 or more by now.
For me that album blew me away.  I was new to prog when I first heard it and it had already been around for a few years.

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Hey, I wonder, now that we have the technology that stops newbies from voting until they're 50 (erm, sorry, until they have 50 posts), can we use some kind of computer techie device that instantly blocks and erases any use of "overrated" or "underrated"?

Anyway.
LTIA was one of my earliest KC purchases, and I remember thinking how difficult it seemed.  I don't just mean in terms of playing--that I took for granted--but in terms of listening, and I mean that in the most positive sense possible.  It was a real challenge to know how to hear the thing.  Over time, I think I've come to like Starless and Bible Black and Red more, but I think they are also perhaps less challenging listens, relatively speaking.

I'm not sure if I can say whether I like the "jazz fusion" era more than the "symphonic" era.  It probably all comes down to what my ears are in the mood for on any particular day.
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Points: 1840 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 30 2010 at 17:03
Let's do a poll! Tongue

And for the question:

Originally posted by chrijom chrijom wrote:

I like all of KC's era's up till Thrak, they move with the times and keep the originality and interest going.  I don't think the LTIA era is overrated as the album LTIA and the others have a stripped back approach, that creates a great contrast to the previous era.  However, LTIA might be the most talked about!
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I do prefer what you call "the symphonic era" over what you call the "jazz fusion era", but that doesn't mean I consider the latter overrated, it deserves the respect it gets.
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Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

LTIA is a great album. The word overrated is, IMHO, extremely overrated.
My sentiments exactly.


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For me that album blew me away.  I was new to prog when I first heard it and it had already been around for a few years.
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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I exactly agree with the above people; the word overrated is used so much, too much, often just when somebody is really saying "I don't like this but lots of others do". - that doesn't make it overrated. Overrated only really applies to two things:
 
1. Things that have a pseudo-popularity; ie, they are seen as very popular but in fact aren't with most people (The Beatles could be an example)
 
2. Things which have dedicated devotees who literally do over-rate them, regardless of their quality (most kids do this when they first get into a band!)
 
And there are not actually very many examples in prog, because of the natural diversity of it's sound (and fans) and the tendency for us to over-analyse our tastes, such that we never make the mistake of overrating things......
 
Just my thoughts, and Lark's Tongues' is excellent IMO.........


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Points: 5575 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 30 2010 at 14:23
Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

LTIA is a great album. The word overrated is, IMHO, extremely overrated.

you are right it is tossed around alot maybe overdiscussed would have been a more accurate term for what i meant 
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I don´t see any reason why it should be overrated...Confused seems all normal to me.
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I do devour all live output from the 73-74 era and it's my preferred Crimson period.
I remember a two-week span where I only listened to The Great Deceiver boxset.

But I have to admit that I've never been a fan of the LTIA studio album.
I think I don't like the ultra-dry sound.
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Points: 15141 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 30 2010 at 13:46
Larks' Tongues is their best I think, even though it is far from perfect. 
I much prefer the live renditions of practically everything that's on this album though. 
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Points: 22989 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 30 2010 at 13:42
Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

LTIA is a great album. The word overrated is, IMHO, extremely overrated.
My sentiments exactly.


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Points: 66806 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 30 2010 at 13:41
Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

LTIA is a great album. The word overrated is, IMHO, extremely overrated.
My sentiments exactly.
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LTIA is a great album. The word overrated is, IMHO, extremely overrated.
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Points: 771 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 30 2010 at 13:20
Maybe you should stick with Lambs' Tail in Topographic. LOL
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Points: 683 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 30 2010 at 12:52
I like all of KC's era's up till Thrak, they move with the times and keep the originality and interest going.  I don't think the LTIA era is overrated as the album LTIA and the others have a stripped back approach, that creates a great contrast to the previous era.  However, LTIA might be the most talked about!
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Points: 7971 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 30 2010 at 12:50
I love every era of KC.

Everybody that does otherwise is a prog poser. Angry LOL

But yeah, I think that the album Larks Tongues is a bit overrated, though nowhere near being bad.
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Points: 10616 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 30 2010 at 12:46
I prefer the symphonic era, that much is true, but... I don't think Larks' Tongues is overrated. It is one of the strongest KC albums.
 


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Points: 5484 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 30 2010 at 12:36
LTIA is the best album, from Crimson's best lineup.
 
ITCOTCK was a groundbreaking album, and fantastic in it's own way.  But for sheer listening pleasure, I still go for Larks.
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Points: 8368 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 30 2010 at 12:30
While the Pete Sinfield eraa is my favorite from KC, I like their second phase an awful lot. That being said, I prefer both Red and Starless and Bible Black to Larks' Tongues. It is my fifth favorite KC album, so I rate it lower than many members on this site.
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This is going to be an interesting thread......
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