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silverpot ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: March 19 2008 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 841 |
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I think they have rather similar voices in fact.
Although Gabriel's performances are more histrionic while Collins is a better singer all around. |
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questionsneverknown ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 22 2009 Location: Ultima Thule Status: Offline Points: 605 |
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I think Gabriel became a much better singer after he left Genesis. With each solo album you could hear him come into his voice in a much more nuanced and sophisticated way. By 3 and 4, he's really singing in the right place. Don't get me wrong--this is not to discredit the Gabriel-era Genesis at all. Vocally, though, Gabriel in that period generated what I think of as a great character voice, and it is a wonder to listen to, but as Dean and others have said, you can hear him struggling with it to make it work. By the solo albums I think he starts to understand his range and exploits the texture of his singing much better.
And the poor maligned Mr Collins has a fantastic voice.
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Manuel ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 09 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 13481 |
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Agreed. Gabriel was, is, and always will be better than Collins.
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rogerthat ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: September 03 2006 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 9869 |
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Dean said it. But one point I want to make is at least in the 70s, Collins seemed less likely to run out of range in live performances, whereas Gabriel did seem to wrestle with his highs a bit. Of course, I am judging purely from what live recordings are available and not from first hand experience of watching either live. Further, that's more of a technical point and regardless of that, Gabriel was still the more expressive singer, live or in the studio. His diction is also much better than Collins, who lacks clarity.
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yanch ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 03 2010 Location: Lowell, MA Status: Offline Points: 3247 |
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I prefer Gabriel's voice on the older tracks, though Collins did a good job early on after Gabriel left, as many of said. I have always felt that Collins' versions of the Gabriel era tracks were a bit flat. The one exception for me is Supper's Ready. I love the Seconds Out version of the song with Phil on vocals.
I agree with those who have said that Collins changed his style as time went by. An example-I saw Genesis on the tour right after the Second's Out tour and they did Cinema Show and Fountain of Salmacis and both were done well, similar to Second's Out. I saw them again a few years later in Forest Hills NY and they did Cinema Show and Supper's Ready and they were different-Phil sounded much more like a pop singer on that tour.
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Dean ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
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The lower register resonance in Gabriel's voice on Carpet Crawlers is far better than Collins and carries a warmth that Collins cannot muster, however Collins's backing harmonies on the original are superb. The song was written for two voices and studio multi-tracking - it just doesn't work for me as a single voice song the way Collins sings it.
I really do not like the lack of timbre in Collins singing on the opening verse of the Seconds Out version of Carpet Crawlers, but will admit his higher register voice is more soothing than Gabe's and that does work slightly better. The problem for me is that he rushes the words at the end of each verse so he can transition into the chorus-voice and then does it again at the beginning of the next verse in transition out of the chorus, for example "The porcelain manikin with shattered skin fears attack" is sung by Gabriel as three distinct phrases that fit the music, but with Collins it is a crushed forced-fit on the live version with no pause between "manikin" and "with" and between "skin" and "fears". I find it "odd" that a drummer should bugger up the rhythm of the vocal so badly at that point - it really irritates me to listen to it.
To get a better understanding of what I mean you need to compare the Seconds Out version not with the studio version but with the Gabriel-era live version from the Archive Box Set where Collins provides the second (backing) vocals - that is the definitive live version and knocks the Collins version right out of the ball-park.
On Seconds Out Collins is doing a Gabriel impression, even on the Trick of the Tail and Wind & Wuthering tracks, and doesn't use the bluesy-soul voice he would use on later albums. He is also singing in English rather than American (phrasing, pronunciation and diction) - another Gabriel trait (also shared by Kate Bush) that he later dropped.
In general, when Collins sings Gabriel songs that are within his vocal range he is a good singer, but he doesn't have the depth or versatility of Gabriel when he goes "into character" and lacks that [Roger] Chapmanesque bark in the back of his throat (that Hammill, and to some extent Fish and Ian Anderson, also have) - when Collins does character voices it just sounds mockney to me.
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Juan Carlos de Mulde ![]() Forum Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: October 02 2010 Location: Cologne Status: Offline Points: 41 |
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Why not? With Web 2.0 it is so easy to check it out in youtube for example....
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Gerinski ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 10 2010 Location: Barcelona Spain Status: Offline Points: 5160 |
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PC sings very well on Seconds Out and the first post-PG-era albums. Definitely he could sing, maybe better than Gabriel from a technical viewpoint, but Gabriel had a much more personal voice and singing style and I undoubtedly prefer Gabriel, especially when the question refers to his era songs.
The question is somewhat unfair because we have heard PC singing PG songs but not the opposite (to my knowledge) so we can not tell for sure who of them is best at re-working the other's vocals.
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lazland ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: October 28 2008 Location: Wales Status: Offline Points: 13882 |
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It's good to see some (mainly0 positive comments about Collins for a change. Seconds Out was certainly a seminal live album, and Collins' performance on it is excellent.
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topographicbroadways ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 20 2010 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 5575 |
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Phil Collins sings Supper's Ready fantastically and the Seconds Out version is probably the definitive one for me.
I am not as keen on his vocals on Firth of Fifth but he still does it well. I think Phil's most creative vocalisation of a Gabriel song is the way he performs In The Cage which i think transforms the song to be much more frantic than the original lamb song, i probably prefer the lamb version but the Three Sides live version of In The Cage is just incredible
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Svetonio ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 20 2010 Location: Serbia Status: Offline Points: 10213 |
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From Gabriel era, I love Collins' voice on More Fool Me, and later on - "Like Father Like Son" |
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someone_else ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: May 02 2008 Location: Going Bananas Status: Offline Points: 24832 |
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Peter's vocals have an extra dimension, although Phil did a really good job, especially on the first albums after Peter had left - and on Seconds Out.
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Snow Dog ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 23 2005 Location: Caerdydd Status: Offline Points: 32995 |
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Phil Collins for me.
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akaBona ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 15 2010 Location: Finland Status: Offline Points: 2082 |
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Gabriel by light years!
Collins is just a below average singer, very annoying one. Uh, his voice makes me feel sick ... |
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Dellinger ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: June 18 2009 Location: Mexico Status: Offline Points: 12858 |
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I still haven't heard Seconds Out, which I really want to hear becaus I do like Collins singing much better than Gabriels... too bad that those performances with Collins on vocals don't have the flute.
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twosteves ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 01 2007 Location: NYC/Rhinebeck Status: Offline Points: 4098 |
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I like Phil's modest, humble voice for the first 3 or 4 years when he took over for PG---but then his self-assured ego voice became so polished it became annoying. With the exception of Carpet Crawlers--- I think I prefer PG voice on the original Lamb better ---Steve's amazing guitar on the live stuff also contributes to making me love the Seconds Out stuff.
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Tarquin Underspoon ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 12 2009 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 1416 |
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Actually, the first version of Supper's Ready that I ever heard was Phil's rendition on Seconds Out. So I've always had a soft spot for Phil singing the old tunes.
Overall, the edge goes to Gabriel of course. But I really do enjoy Phil's take on some of the older songs (especially Supper's Ready and Carpet Crawlers)
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Triceratopsoil ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 03 2010 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 18016 |
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Phil Collins has a voice I find grinding and annoying
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The_Jester ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 29 2010 Status: Offline Points: 741 |
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Peter sings with his feelings and gives us incredible sensation and Phil is only singing well and right to the note. He still got some feeling but less then Gabriel.
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