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BassoonAng 
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 Posted: July 30 2012 at 01:21 |
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Rutherford doesn't play the same style as Lee or Squire but it doesn't mean he is not a good bassist. I like him but I wouldn't consider him to be in the top 5 or the top 10.
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Rutherford didn't need to be a Squire or a Lee (even though he was doing much more interesting things before Lee). He is a completely different class, but still as gifted as Squire and Lee IMHO. |
That's my point. |
It's a different form of artistry, but in my mind, one takes a clear lead before the other.
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Posted: July 29 2012 at 22:50 |
Mirror Image wrote:
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Rutherford doesn't play the same style as Lee or Squire but it doesn't mean he is not a good bassist. I like him but I wouldn't consider him to be in the top 5 or the top 10.
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Rutherford didn't need to be a Squire or a Lee (even though he was doing much more interesting things before Lee). He is a completely different class, but still as gifted as Squire and Lee IMHO. |
That's my point.
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Posted: July 29 2012 at 21:55 |
sagichim wrote:
Rutherford doesn't play the same style as Lee or Squire but it doesn't mean he is not a good bassist. I like him but I wouldn't consider him to be in the top 5 or the top 10.
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Rutherford didn't need to be a Squire or a Lee (even though he was doing much more interesting things before Lee). He is a completely different class, but still as gifted as Squire and Lee IMHO.
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Posted: July 29 2012 at 21:22 |
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Rutherford never made me think of Top 5 (10) material. |
Yeah, I think a lot of people would include him just for the band he's in, but he's got a lot of great, tasty grooves i.e. Foxtrot. One of my favourite Bass songs is The Battle Of Epping Forest. His tone sounds amazing and his playing is subtle, yet complex, perfectly melding with the music, rather than being too passive or too aggressive. Same applies to Holger as well - perfect for the psychedelic, jam music of Can.
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I like how you take the time to point this out. Definitely valid and true, but Rutherford seems to lack a certain "take the bull by the horns" mentality that made Squire and Lee famous. Rush and Yes songs are full of bass features, but I think I can count on one hand the number of Genesis songs where Rutherford says "Hey, look at me!"
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Rutherford doesn't play the same style as Lee or Squire but it doesn't mean he is not a good bassist. I like him but I wouldn't consider him to be in the top 5 or the top 10.
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Posted: July 29 2012 at 16:14 |
Fox On The Rocks wrote:
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Rutherford never made me think of Top 5 (10) material. |
Yeah, I think a lot of people would include him just for the band he's in, but he's got a lot of great, tasty grooves i.e. Foxtrot. One of my favourite Bass songs is The Battle Of Epping Forest. His tone sounds amazing and his playing is subtle, yet complex, perfectly melding with the music, rather than being too passive or too aggressive. Same applies to Holger as well - perfect for the psychedelic, jam music of Can.
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I like how you take the time to point this out. Definitely valid and true, but Rutherford seems to lack a certain "take the bull by the horns" mentality that made Squire and Lee famous. Rush and Yes songs are full of bass features, but I think I can count on one hand the number of Genesis songs where Rutherford says "Hey, look at me!"
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Posted: July 27 2012 at 22:01 |
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I mean hes good, Foxtrot's first few songs are great - same with Selling England, but not enough to complete with Geddy, Squire, etc. |
Oh no, of course.  Technically speaking, I think Geddy is one of the best Rock bassists ever, and he does it with style as well. I realize a lot of player probably surpass him in terms of speed and technique, I mean it's all a matter of opinion, but Ged's playing is just so tasteful and appropriate for Rush's music, you know? What;'s your thoughts on Squire, Austin?
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Geddy is amazing in general, he plays tons of counterpoints and is always is interesting. |
Geddy, in my opinion, is the perfect hard rock bass player; of course he can't compete technically with virtuosos like Wooten or Pastorius, but it's no good pretending that many of our favorite rock musicians can play the material of the great jazz and fusion artists, anyway. There's a different attitude and skillset that goes into playing hard rock music, and Geddy might be the best in the world at that.
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Posted: July 27 2012 at 19:36 |
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Well, if it weren't limited to Prog I'd be putting Victor Wooten in here. I don't think anyone plays bass better than that. But for prog:
Andreas Blomqvist, Geddy Lee, John Myung, Jonas Reingold, Chris Squire |
Speaking of Andreas Blomqvist, have you heard that he's playing on the upcoming album from Withem?
2 of the guys in Withem were in the band Illusion Suite.
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Posted: July 27 2012 at 19:35 |
Fox On The Rocks wrote:
Horizons wrote:
I mean hes good, Foxtrot's first few songs are great - same with Selling England, but not enough to complete with Geddy, Squire, etc. |
Oh no, of course. Technically speaking, I think Geddy is one of the best Rock bassists ever, and he does it with style as well. I realize a lot of player probably surpass him in terms of speed and technique, I mean it's all a matter of opinion, but Ged's playing is just so tasteful and appropriate for Rush's music, you know? What;'s your thoughts on Squire, Austin?
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Geddy is amazing in general, he plays tons of counterpoints and is always is interesting.
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Posted: July 27 2012 at 19:31 |
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Posted: July 27 2012 at 19:30 |
Horizons wrote:
I mean hes good, Foxtrot's first few songs are great - same with Selling England, but not enough to complete with Geddy, Squire, etc. |
Oh no, of course. Technically speaking, I think Geddy is one of the best Rock bassists ever, and he does it with style as well. I realize a lot of player probably surpass him in terms of speed and technique, I mean it's all a matter of opinion, but Ged's playing is just so tasteful and appropriate for Rush's music, you know? What;'s your thoughts on Squire, Austin?
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Posted: July 27 2012 at 19:28 |
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1.Geddy Lee
2.Mike Ruthford
3.Chris Squire
4.John Wetton
5.Tony Levin (I know he played the stick but whatever)
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Posted: July 27 2012 at 19:25 |
Yep. That's my favorite from him. Amazing.
I prefer Juan Alderete. /TMV Fanboi.
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Posted: July 27 2012 at 19:24 |
Horizons wrote:
I mean hes good, Foxtrot's first few songs are great - same with Selling England, but not enough to complete with Geddy, Squire, etc. |
Some people might prefer him to the others you mentioned in the same way they prefer Banks to Emerson or Wakeman; he wasn't flashy, but he was an excellent player and complemented the music very well. I don't know that he would be in my top 5, but when I hear Get 'Em Out By Friday I can't help but be amazed that he's basically playing counterpoint, which is something you hardly ever hear a bass player do (or anyone in rock music, for that matter).
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Posted: July 27 2012 at 19:16 |
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I mean hes good, Foxtrot's first few songs are great - same with Selling England, but not enough to complete with Geddy, Squire, etc.
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Crushed like a rose in the riverflow.
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Posted: July 27 2012 at 19:12 |
Horizons wrote:
Rutherford never made me think of Top 5 (10) material. |
Yeah, I think a lot of people would include him just for the band he's in, but he's got a lot of great, tasty grooves i.e. Foxtrot. One of my favourite Bass songs is The Battle Of Epping Forest. His tone sounds amazing and his playing is subtle, yet complex, perfectly melding with the music, rather than being too passive or too aggressive. Same applies to Holger as well - perfect for the psychedelic, jam music of Can.
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Posted: July 27 2012 at 18:56 |
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Rutherford never made me think of Top 5 (10) material.
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Crushed like a rose in the riverflow.
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Posted: July 27 2012 at 17:25 |
1. Geddy Lee 2. Ray Shulman 3. Stanley Clarke 4. Holger Czukay 5. Jaco Pastorius - I don't know why I didn't include him in the previous list, a few months back. An absolute master. How bout a top 10?  6. Chris Squire 7. Tony Levin 8. Mike Rutherford 9. Juan Alderete 10. Dave Holland
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Posted: July 27 2012 at 17:14 |
dtguitarfan wrote:
Well, if it weren't limited to Prog I'd be putting Victor Wooten in here. I don't think anyone plays bass better than that. But for prog:
Andreas Blomqvist, Geddy Lee, John Myung, Jonas Reingold, Chris Squire |
Wooten is the bass player for Bela Fleck and the Flecktones, who are listed on here as Jazz Rock Fusion.
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Posted: July 27 2012 at 13:42 |
Mista-Gordie wrote:
1-Chris Squire2-Jaco Pastorius 3-John Entwistle 4-Pete Trewavas 5-Richard Sinclair |
I don't think I've listened to a wide enough variety to make a list, but I agree with anyone who throws Jaco up there.
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Posted: July 27 2012 at 08:58 |
1. Chris Squire 2. Geddy Lee 3. Mike Rutherford 4. Tony Levin 5. Pete Trewavas
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