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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 29 2010 at 18:54
I like their way of releasing albums: www.1099band.com

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 24 2010 at 20:17
Torodd: A good point about the broadband industry supporting illegal downloads. Well of course they don't actively support them but a huge part of the demand for bandwidth is for grabbing music and movies and games illegally. Without it we'd probably all be able to get by on 1 or 2 gigs a month. Maybe it's the physical matter thing again, that you can break down one industry but it will always be replaced by another, that there'll never actually be greater or fewer transactions occurring than there previously were.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 24 2010 at 20:11
Since the issue of the digital & the internet as a long term support for data storage and dissemination was touched here, I'll link to this interesting article:

Google's Book Search: A Disaster for Scholars

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 31 2010 at 20:55
Very well written post! 
 
A similar set of circumstances can be seen in today's workplace.  We find ourselves flooded with much more data than ever before yet still enjoying less meaningful information than ever before...   As a result, economists predict that Database Administrators capable of  efficiently creating access to truly meaningful information from the virtual chaos will thrive in the 21st Century economy.
 
In the same way, as the exponential increase in self-released music overwhelms the casual consumer, new voluntary gatekeepers are entering the scene, providing a vetting service.  Indeed the Prog Archives website is a good example of avid volunteer gatekeepers of quality for Progressive Rock music.  (Admittedly not all gatekeepers are of equal quality and to some extent we have an overabundance of gatekeepers as well - but there *are* mechanisms to aid the consumer's choice of which gatekeepers to follow - and even some measure of financial rewards available for those who provide this service particularly well (as the increased advertising presence on this website attests!)
 
Suffice it to say that I agree with idea that the "cost" of new music is no longer measured merely by the currency which one pays for access.  Rather, the most significant "cost" of new music is increasingly being measured as the time and attention which must invest in an "indie" product.
 
For another example of a quality gatekeeper in the new economy, look no further than Paste "magazine".  One could argue that Paste has made a niche industry out of being a voluntary gatekeeper for adult-alternative music and are now attempting to branch out into similar film and print services.
  
I worked in commercial broadcast radio in the 1980's and I can honestly say that, despite the overwhelming exhaustion associated with the genuine plethora of self-released music online today, I still would *not* ever want to "go back" to those "good old days" of very few distribution channels guarded by gatekeepers interested in wide-audience commercial return on investment. 
 
No.  I' much rather have a million choices of songs of varied style and quality.  Then give me 50,000 choices of gatekeepers!  I'll gladly select 'authorities' that serve *my* tastes and interests rather than being forced to live with the result of industry insiders focused on general purpose demographics far different from myself.
 
With so much competing noise in today's marketplace, it is tempting to fall prey to the notion that wide open distribution channels have resulted in only a vast increase in the amount of sub-standard product available.  My experience tells me, however, that the quantity of high-quality product has also increased.  We just need a little help finding it!
 
For my time and money, today's narrowcasting is doing a much better job of reaching out to me than yesterdays broadcasting ever did.  Keep up the good work at ProgArchives! 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 30 2010 at 11:57
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by tamijo tamijo wrote:

First of all i will admit that i havent read trough all 9 pages, so this may allready have been noted.
 
What i want to say is :
I dont belive many bands can survive without going live. And i think the ability to do great live shows have allways been a key-stone in rock. So the critics will still be able to pick out the great live stuff.
This just to comfort those that think it will all drown in a flood of selfmade amaturism.
Doomed, we're all doooomed!  (see my other Blog: Live Prog-rock is Dying)
In my place (Denmark) live music is def. not dying, and i go watch live music, nearly as much as i did in my young days, even though I admit to getting a bit old, missing out on festivals and other uncomfortable events. But im not sure that the development is the same all over the world.  
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 30 2010 at 08:35

I have not read these 9 pages too. But my view is very much that we are back to year 1880 again where the bands earned their living by playing live. Today or probably in five years time; gramophones can only be regarded as promo material for their live performances. 

The genie (ie illegal downloads) has left the bottle forever. The clock will never be turned back to 1995. There is a new law coming into force next month here in the UK. But it is technically so easy to bypass that this law is totally without teeth. Neither will the telecommunication industry abide by this law either. People are not paying for broadband just to send each other emails. 

I am very glad I left the music industry. An industry not half as ducked as the film industry. That industry is in big danger of being wiped out due to relying heavily on investors who want returns. Not with hundreds of millions of illegal downloads, you will........ 

Mark my words; in five years time, we will be back to 1880.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 30 2010 at 08:27
Maybe you should reopen your old blog, Dean? Time has passed and we now how many new members who maybe would like to express their thoughts on the issue.

After one year of intensively attending to concerts in one of the busiest places in the world (I can't really keep up with the amount of awesome concerts happening in Paris), I can definitely say that live music performance is here to stay. Of course, some things have changed. One of the things I've learned is that progressive music is going to survive but not because of proggers (for the exact same reasons you pointed out in your inaugural post in the other blog).
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Originally posted by tamijo tamijo wrote:

First of all i will admit that i havent read trough all 9 pages, so this may allready have been noted.
 
What i want to say is :
I dont belive many bands can survive without going live. And i think the ability to do great live shows have allways been a key-stone in rock. So the critics will still be able to pick out the great live stuff.
This just to comfort those that think it will all drown in a flood of selfmade amaturism.
Doomed, we're all doooomed!  (see my other Blog: Live Prog-rock is Dying)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 30 2010 at 08:03
First of all i will admit that i havent read trough all 9 pages, so this may allready have been noted.
 
What i want to say is :
I dont belive many bands can survive without going live. And i think the ability to do great live shows have allways been a key-stone in rock. So the critics will still be able to pick out the great live stuff.
This just to comfort those that think it will all drown in a flood of selfmade amaturism.
Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2010 at 13:00
Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

One other thing to remember is that governments seem to be tempted by the idea of restricting internet access with those "packages". Even the EU tried to implement this policy in 2009 if I'm not wrong. It was something like: 20 euros for the first package (access to email + messenger), 30 euros for the second package (email + IM + Amazon +google), etc. etc.

If these policies are implemented, 90% of the internet as we know it will disappear, including the independent online music "industry".
Sorry if this is old, but I had to bump it because what you are saying is not true in the slightest. People have been making a lot of noise about that possibility in America if Net Neutrality dies, and I don't know what the current status of net neutrality is, but nobody's even come close to trying to do that yet, because people would throw a fit if you could go to Google but not the smaller sites Google linked you to. 


You mean you want me to read that? OK, that essay/rant on Japan you linked to a couple of weeks ago was excellent, but this doesn't look too entertaining LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 19 2010 at 23:42
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by jplanet jplanet wrote:


Ok, I'll go back to my corner now before Dean cancels his Shadow Circus order. Wink
...or before John forgets it Tongue


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Oh, holy sh*t! I am SO sorry! We were waiting to meet the bass player to get it signed for you, but unfortunately, there is some bad news, and Jason has been having some terrible medical issues - I'll be happy to ship the CD to you right away sans signatures, of course...

Very sorry about that, when I saw your post it hit my like a brick that you've been waiting so long!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 19 2010 at 22:17
Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

One other thing to remember is that governments seem to be tempted by the idea of restricting internet access with those "packages". Even the EU tried to implement this policy in 2009 if I'm not wrong. It was something like: 20 euros for the first package (access to email + messenger), 30 euros for the second package (email + IM + Amazon +google), etc. etc.

If these policies are implemented, 90% of the internet as we know it will disappear, including the independent online music "industry".
Sorry if this is old, but I had to bump it because what you are saying is not true in the slightest. People have been making a lot of noise about that possibility in America if Net Neutrality dies, and I don't know what the current status of net neutrality is, but nobody's even come close to trying to do that yet, because people would throw a fit if you could go to Google but not the smaller sites Google linked you to. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 19 2010 at 07:22
Originally posted by jplanet jplanet wrote:


Ok, I'll go back to my corner now before Dean cancels his Shadow Circus order. Wink
...or before John forgets it Tongue
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"I am proud of what I am, I... am a librarian"
 
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 16 2010 at 13:38
Originally posted by stefolof stefolof wrote:

Yes, sorry. But if you agree on the replication/distribution advantages of digital would you not also agree that storage safety increases with every new replication point added to the mesh? Don't you think digital has a better potential because of these properties (in a broad way, not just the internet)?
The storage of anything is only as good as our ability to retrieve it, not the ease in which we can store it or how readily the data can be replicated. Any database (which is all any storage system is) is only as good as its indexing system - it does not matter how smart the query language, if the index is corrupt or lost so is the data. If something is valuable then the safeguards will be in-place to ensure the security of the data and all links to it - but for everyday data, like the millions of mp3 files that exist throughout the internet and over millions of PCs those security measures are not in place. If the next big thing is a highly compressed lossless format (let's call it μFLAC™ so I can get rich on the royalties) then those mp3s will fall into redundancy in a very short space of time ... people will just delete them and/or the links that point to them, with no guarantee that all the deleted data would have been converted to the emergent format first.
Originally posted by stefolof stefolof wrote:

If I had access to all necessities in life and was able to survive, I wouldn't mind about reaching out. The music itself is the reward for me. The special feeling I get when mixing certain types of melodies, rhythms, harmonies and sounds - that's the driving force. All else is just expectations of society.
Confused Isn't that the same as just noodling at home and keeping your music to yourself?
Originally posted by stefolof stefolof wrote:

We've all been told that "one should earn his living from the sweat of his brow". Well, if that was true, we wouldn't have been given the ability to build tools, machines and robots. All boring, monotonous jobs should be automated (and in fact, it's happening) so that people would have more time for their own creative ideas.
That's not working too well at the moment - automation replaces the wrong strata of "workers" from the economic system. In the current system the people in the manufacturing industries support those in the service industries who in turn support those in the academic/research industries and they all support those in the entertainment industries. Ironically, automation not only removed a skilled and semi-skilled layer from the employment pool, it also wiped-out an entire layer of middle-managers and support staff who possessed few practical or useful skills. The current (western) economic model has shown that removing the manufacturing industries does not create more jobs in the service industries, so the problem is delayed by moving the overspill into academia - more people are going into further education and they are staying there longer - but there is nothing for them to do when they leave but go into the already overloaded service sector, or become educators for the next generation of academics. The entertainment industry is only sustainable when all the other levels are producing a surplus of wealth, even though it does create wealth of its own in the form of "product" it is not an essential "product".
 
What we haven't experienced (yet) is a drastic reduction in working hours that would facilitate the Utopia you desire. The average working week in Europe is still longer than it was in the 14th Century (and that wasn't exactly a hot-bed of creative output... well, except Dante and Chaucer).
Originally posted by stefolof stefolof wrote:


You're right in that it's not possible within the system as it exists today. As I wrote to Easymoney one post above, it would require a complete transformation of the economy. I don't believe anyone is born with a true desire for fame and fortune, it's a (distorted) value imposed by society. I do, however, believe that most of us want to live in prosperity.
I disagree (slightly) - the one thing that motivates children is the approval of their parents - they want praise for doing something right - that reward-system is what drives us to learn stuff, develop skills and to be good at them. We carry this on into adult life, we all want the respect and approval of our peers for doing something right  - fame and fortune is the natural extension (and logical conclusion) of that "reward" system. The modern (distorted) values imposed by society have created the situation where people expect reward/respect/approval for doing anything, whether it is done right or not. Which neatly brings us back to the topic of this thread. Wink
Originally posted by stefolof stefolof wrote:

Sounds like a nightmare but I think your analysis is accurate. The polarization of power structures is an accelerating process. But, to confuse things, I think it can go either way, it really depends. We have the consolidating corporate structures on one hand and we have the free information, open source grassroot movements on the other. What side will win, who knows?
Being a cynic, I'd hazard a guess that neither side will win and the result will be an unsatisfactory and unwieldy compromise.
 


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