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GY!BE
Forum Senior Member Joined: July 27 2010 Location: Montreal Status: Offline Points: 538 |
Posted: September 29 2010 at 18:54 | ||||
I like their way of releasing albums: www.1099band.com
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Textbook
Forum Senior Member Joined: October 08 2009 Status: Offline Points: 3281 |
Posted: August 24 2010 at 20:17 | ||||
Torodd: A good point about the broadband industry supporting illegal downloads. Well of course they don't actively support them but a huge part of the demand for bandwidth is for grabbing music and movies and games illegally. Without it we'd probably all be able to get by on 1 or 2 gigs a month. Maybe it's the physical matter thing again, that you can break down one industry but it will always be replaced by another, that there'll never actually be greater or fewer transactions occurring than there previously were.
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harmonium.ro
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 18 2008 Location: Anna Calvi Status: Offline Points: 22989 |
Posted: August 24 2010 at 20:11 | ||||
Since the issue of the digital & the internet as a long term support for data storage and dissemination was touched here, I'll link to this interesting article:
Google's Book Search: A Disaster for Scholars. |
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progpositivity
Prog Reviewer Joined: December 15 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 262 |
Posted: March 31 2010 at 20:55 | ||||
Very well written post!
A similar set of circumstances can be seen in today's workplace. We find ourselves flooded with much more data than ever before yet still enjoying less meaningful information than ever before... As a result, economists predict that Database Administrators capable of efficiently creating access to truly meaningful information from the virtual chaos will thrive in the 21st Century economy.
In the same way, as the exponential increase in self-released music overwhelms the casual consumer, new voluntary gatekeepers are entering the scene, providing a vetting service. Indeed the Prog Archives website is a good example of avid volunteer gatekeepers of quality for Progressive Rock music. (Admittedly not all gatekeepers are of equal quality and to some extent we have an overabundance of gatekeepers as well - but there *are* mechanisms to aid the consumer's choice of which gatekeepers to follow - and even some measure of financial rewards available for those who provide this service particularly well (as the increased advertising presence on this website attests!)
Suffice it to say that I agree with idea that the "cost" of new music is no longer measured merely by the currency which one pays for access. Rather, the most significant "cost" of new music is increasingly being measured as the time and attention which must invest in an "indie" product.
For another example of a quality gatekeeper in the new economy, look no further than Paste "magazine". One could argue that Paste has made a niche industry out of being a voluntary gatekeeper for adult-alternative music and are now attempting to branch out into similar film and print services.
I worked in commercial broadcast radio in the 1980's and I can honestly say that, despite the overwhelming exhaustion associated with the genuine plethora of self-released music online today, I still would *not* ever want to "go back" to those "good old days" of very few distribution channels guarded by gatekeepers interested in wide-audience commercial return on investment.
No. I' much rather have a million choices of songs of varied style and quality. Then give me 50,000 choices of gatekeepers! I'll gladly select 'authorities' that serve *my* tastes and interests rather than being forced to live with the result of industry insiders focused on general purpose demographics far different from myself.
With so much competing noise in today's marketplace, it is tempting to fall prey to the notion that wide open distribution channels have resulted in only a vast increase in the amount of sub-standard product available. My experience tells me, however, that the quantity of high-quality product has also increased. We just need a little help finding it! For my time and money, today's narrowcasting is doing a much better job of reaching out to me than yesterdays broadcasting ever did. Keep up the good work at ProgArchives!
Prog On!
Mark Stephens
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tamijo
Forum Senior Member Joined: January 06 2009 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 4287 |
Posted: March 30 2010 at 11:57 | ||||
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Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
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toroddfuglesteg
Forum Senior Member Retired Joined: March 04 2008 Location: Retirement Home Status: Offline Points: 3658 |
Posted: March 30 2010 at 08:35 | ||||
I have not read these 9 pages too. But my view is very much that we are back to year 1880 again where the bands earned their living by playing live. Today or probably in five years time; gramophones can only be regarded as promo material for their live performances. The genie (ie illegal downloads) has left the bottle forever. The clock will never be turned back to 1995. There is a new law coming into force next month here in the UK. But it is technically so easy to bypass that this law is totally without teeth. Neither will the telecommunication industry abide by this law either. People are not paying for broadband just to send each other emails. I am very glad I left the music industry. An industry not half as ducked as the film industry. That industry is in big danger of being wiped out due to relying heavily on investors who want returns. Not with hundreds of millions of illegal downloads, you will........ Mark my words; in five years time, we will be back to 1880.
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harmonium.ro
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 18 2008 Location: Anna Calvi Status: Offline Points: 22989 |
Posted: March 30 2010 at 08:27 | ||||
Maybe you should reopen your old blog, Dean? Time has passed and we now how many new members who maybe would like to express their thoughts on the issue.
After one year of intensively attending to concerts in one of the busiest places in the world (I can't really keep up with the amount of awesome concerts happening in Paris), I can definitely say that live music performance is here to stay. Of course, some things have changed. One of the things I've learned is that progressive music is going to survive but not because of proggers (for the exact same reasons you pointed out in your inaugural post in the other blog). |
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Dean
Special Collaborator Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: March 30 2010 at 08:06 | ||||
Doomed, we're all doooomed! (see my other Blog: Live Prog-rock is Dying)
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tamijo
Forum Senior Member Joined: January 06 2009 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 4287 |
Posted: March 30 2010 at 08:03 | ||||
First of all i will admit that i havent read trough all 9 pages, so this may allready have been noted.
What i want to say is :
I dont belive many bands can survive without going live. And i think the ability to do great live shows have allways been a key-stone in rock. So the critics will still be able to pick out the great live stuff.
This just to comfort those that think it will all drown in a flood of selfmade amaturism.
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Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
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harmonium.ro
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 18 2008 Location: Anna Calvi Status: Offline Points: 22989 |
Posted: March 20 2010 at 13:00 | ||||
You mean you want me to read that? OK, that essay/rant on Japan you linked to a couple of weeks ago was excellent, but this doesn't look too entertaining |
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jplanet
Forum Senior Member VIP Member Joined: August 30 2006 Location: NJ Status: Offline Points: 799 |
Posted: March 19 2010 at 23:42 | ||||
Oh, holy sh*t! I am SO sorry! We were waiting to meet the bass player to get it signed for you, but unfortunately, there is some bad news, and Jason has been having some terrible medical issues - I'll be happy to ship the CD to you right away sans signatures, of course... Very sorry about that, when I saw your post it hit my like a brick that you've been waiting so long! |
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Henry Plainview
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 26 2008 Location: Declined Status: Offline Points: 16715 |
Posted: March 19 2010 at 22:17 | ||||
Sorry if this is old, but I had to bump it because what you are saying is not true in the slightest. People have been making a lot of noise about that possibility in America if Net Neutrality dies, and I don't know what the current status of net neutrality is, but nobody's even come close to trying to do that yet, because people would throw a fit if you could go to Google but not the smaller sites Google linked you to.
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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Dean
Special Collaborator Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: March 19 2010 at 07:22 | ||||
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Dean
Special Collaborator Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: February 22 2010 at 12:59 | ||||
"I am proud of what I am, I... am a librarian"
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harmonium.ro
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 18 2008 Location: Anna Calvi Status: Offline Points: 22989 |
Posted: February 22 2010 at 12:40 | ||||
Speaking of storage: http://faith-theology.blogspot.com/2010/02/twelve-theses-on-libraries-and.html
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halabalushindigus
Forum Senior Member Joined: November 05 2009 Location: San Diego Status: Offline Points: 1438 |
Posted: February 17 2010 at 14:00 | ||||
The Stefolof Man and The Deanmeister going at it big time don't let me interrupt you
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assume the power 1586/14.3 |
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stefolof
Forum Groupie Joined: November 30 2009 Location: Kl Status: Offline Points: 59 |
Posted: February 17 2010 at 05:56 | ||||
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Dean
Special Collaborator Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: February 16 2010 at 13:38 | ||||
The storage of anything is only as good as our ability to retrieve it, not the ease in which we can store it or how readily the data can be replicated. Any database (which is all any storage system is) is only as good as its indexing system - it does not matter how smart the query language, if the index is corrupt or lost so is the data. If something is valuable then the safeguards will be in-place to ensure the security of the data and all links to it - but for everyday data, like the millions of mp3 files that exist throughout the internet and over millions of PCs those security measures are not in place. If the next big thing is a highly compressed lossless format (let's call it μFLAC™ so I can get rich on the royalties) then those mp3s will fall into redundancy in a very short space of time ... people will just delete them and/or the links that point to them, with no guarantee that all the deleted data would have been converted to the emergent format first.
Isn't that the same as just noodling at home and keeping your music to yourself?
That's not working too well at the moment - automation replaces the wrong strata of "workers" from the economic system. In the current system the people in the manufacturing industries support those in the service industries who in turn support those in the academic/research industries and they all support those in the entertainment industries. Ironically, automation not only removed a skilled and semi-skilled layer from the employment pool, it also wiped-out an entire layer of middle-managers and support staff who possessed few practical or useful skills. The current (western) economic model has shown that removing the manufacturing industries does not create more jobs in the service industries, so the problem is delayed by moving the overspill into academia - more people are going into further education and they are staying there longer - but there is nothing for them to do when they leave but go into the already overloaded service sector, or become educators for the next generation of academics. The entertainment industry is only sustainable when all the other levels are producing a surplus of wealth, even though it does create wealth of its own in the form of "product" it is not an essential "product".
What we haven't experienced (yet) is a drastic reduction in working hours that would facilitate the Utopia you desire. The average working week in Europe is still longer than it was in the 14th Century (and that wasn't exactly a hot-bed of creative output... well, except Dante and Chaucer).
I disagree (slightly) - the one thing that motivates children is the approval of their parents - they want praise for doing something right - that reward-system is what drives us to learn stuff, develop skills and to be good at them. We carry this on into adult life, we all want the respect and approval of our peers for doing something right - fame and fortune is the natural extension (and logical conclusion) of that "reward" system. The modern (distorted) values imposed by society have created the situation where people expect reward/respect/approval for doing anything, whether it is done right or not. Which neatly brings us back to the topic of this thread.
Being a cynic, I'd hazard a guess that neither side will win and the result will be an unsatisfactory and unwieldy compromise.
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stefolof
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