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Posted: April 04 2013 at 21:58
WOW did this thread go down a few different paths ! I'll bring it back around....
Think on this: You've been in a group that has had success musically, commercially. A member of this band from the get go, we've all been thru alot for a long time, decades of touring, conflicts with members, departures, new members etc. Meanwhile you've done many solo projects, some with others. Over the span of some 45 years, you've taken breaks away from this group due to health issues and your artistic direction. Then one day after much thought you have decided to finish and be done. You've accomplished everything you've imagined with this band and more. Even reunited several times. But now it's time to move on to other things. While the compositions are timeless performing them is not. Forward motion discovers new ground.
Then someone comes up with a petition that may show fan support for you to return to that long standing group. What those that started this effort do not realize is that your decision is made by you and you alone. The supporters, while worthy fans, don't understand that someday we all must move forward and this is your time to do so.
It would be hard for me to grip their logic, almost hurtful to deny them their desire. In the end, we are all individuals on our own paths.
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Posted: April 01 2013 at 21:17
Dean wrote:
infocat wrote:
I just saw Yes on Cruise To The Edge. When "introduced", JD got the biggest applause of all of them. Just saying!
More comments in a different thread, if/when I get around to it.
How's the cruise going Frank? Sun, sea and Prog - can anything be better than that? (I'm green with envy)
It ended Saturday morning (I posted the above after I got home), but it was pretty fine. Musically it was very good. The cruise itself was so-so, but I still found it to be worth it. (Not much sun, though! Mostly overcast the entire time.)
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Posted: March 31 2013 at 12:12
Gerinski wrote:
Larree wrote:
Well, as long as this little Steve Howe vs Robert Fripp sidebar thing is happening now...
All I am going to say is this... Strictly as guitarists, putting their individual bands and their unique compositional approaches aside, I think Steve Howe could probably figure out and play Fripp guitar easier and better than Fripp could figure out and play Steve Howe guitar. Because to me, Steve Howe is more of a guitarist's guitarist, while Fripp is simply from outer space and probably never cut through the basic rudimentary chops that the rest of us mortal guitar players had to cut through. Just sayin'
Yeah, Fripp is so unconventional that I'm not sure if he would be able to play Puff The Magic Dragon
Well, not without a bunch of whole tone scale runs thrown in!
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Posted: March 31 2013 at 04:53
Larree wrote:
Well, as long as this little Steve Howe vs Robert Fripp sidebar thing is happening now...
All I am going to say is this... Strictly as guitarists, putting their individual bands and their unique compositional approaches aside, I think Steve Howe could probably figure out and play Fripp guitar easier and better than Fripp could figure out and play Steve Howe guitar. Because to me, Steve Howe is more of a guitarist's guitarist, while Fripp is simply from outer space and probably never cut through the basic rudimentary chops that the rest of us mortal guitar players had to cut through. Just sayin'
Yeah, Fripp is so unconventional that I'm not sure if he would be able to play Puff The Magic Dragon
Are we throwing all our toys out of the pram about this? Don't be ridiculous.
"I demand that my favourite band replaces their current singer with my favourite singer, even if neither singer nor band wants that to happen." How would that actually work? Pay them a few extra million, maybe? And get them to not argue much too, eh?
What if I were to demand a Prog Supergroup featuring Chris Squire, Robert Fripp, Ian Anderson, and Nick Mason (each being the only person on every album by their respective bands) they could get Keith Emerson in there as well, and name the band CRINK after their first initials. I demand that they do this!! *shakes fist pointlessly*
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Posted: March 29 2013 at 22:45
Just to clarify....I am not saying one is technically better than the other, strictly as a guitarist. That's not for me to judge. But I do consider Fripp a lot bolder and more imaginative than Howe.
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Posted: March 29 2013 at 22:42
Well, as long as this little Steve Howe vs Robert Fripp sidebar thing is happening now...
All I am going to say is this... Strictly as guitarists, putting their individual bands and their unique compositional approaches aside, I think Steve Howe could probably figure out and play Fripp guitar easier and better than Fripp could figure out and play Steve Howe guitar. Because to me, Steve Howe is more of a guitarist's guitarist, while Fripp is simply from outer space and probably never cut through the basic rudimentary chops that the rest of us mortal guitar players had to cut through. Just sayin'
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Posted: March 29 2013 at 22:23
infandous wrote:
Well, I would need lots of practice to get back in shape, but I think I could do it.........if I had a 12 string
As to Fripp, well, he was the ONLY guitarist in the band from '69 to '78, which is the only period I care about. He did far more than 'pattern rock" for most of that time. Even in the 80's and beyond Crimson, you have to understand that his guitar patterns are the base for the entire compositions.......all the "heavy lifting" as you say, is him. The rest of the band work their parts around him. So it's pretty funny you thinking he doesn't do the "heavy lifting". I'd like to see Howe try to play his "patterns". I doubt he's capable (but then, I'm certainly not........very few are)....or would want to
Anyway, we've veered way off topic here. Jon Anderson rules, Yes is a hollow shell without him. Yet still this petition is silly, IMO.
This is a live performance of Frame by Frame and it's Fripp who plays that complex, fast pattern (you can see it at 0:53).
What Belew does is also incredibly difficult because his parts intersect with Fripp while he has to sing at the same time. You can see he gets out of time at "Step by step" but adjusts and covers it. Yes, he adds to the music. It's a completely different kind of music from what Yes envisioned, if I may say so.
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Posted: March 29 2013 at 12:43
infandous wrote:
As to Fripp, well, he was the ONLY guitarist in the band from '69 to '78, which is the only period I care about. He did far more than 'pattern rock" for most of that time. Even in the 80's and beyond Crimson, you have to understand that his guitar patterns are the base for the entire compositions.......all the "heavy lifting" as you say, is him. The rest of the band work their parts around him. So it's pretty funny you thinking he doesn't do the "heavy lifting". I'd like to see Howe try to play his "patterns". I doubt he's capable (but then, I'm certainly not........very few are)....or would want to
Anyway, we've veered way off topic here. Jon Anderson rules, Yes is a hollow shell without him. Yet still this petition is silly, IMO.
Ok, you win the Fripp thing, I was really thinking of his eighties work till now, I was never a big fan of his early "bang the gargabe can lids"(Moonchild) thing.... I do love Greg Lake, so nice he was in early KC, don't worry bout the sidetrack, not much activity for YES here on PA, so I bet this thread dies out sooner then later, at least we are talking guitarists...
Speaking of..., Steve Howe(even now) could wipe the floor with Fripp and 3 others like him, so I can't let that Howe slam stand. If you wanna find a guitar player who comes close to Howe then venture on out to Austin,Texas and look for a young man named Johnson.
Oh, and YES are doing just fine with JD, just as fine as they did back in 1968 with Peter Banks & Tony Kaye & Bill Bruford.
"Yeah, people are unhappy about that - but you know what, it's still Yes." - Chris Squire
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It's a completely different kind of music from what Yes envisioned, if I may say so. 
