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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 29 2012 at 14:36

We should have song tagging and put each individual Pink Floyd and Can song in it's own neat little box Tongue


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 29 2012 at 11:15
^I am glad I'm not the only one who feels that way thenTongue

This would, of course, all be rendered moot, if we had individual tagging - ahem...... Then we could also show to the world of progressive music fans, that we don't think of A Passion Play as prog folk - and that we also hear the overt symphonic qualities of the first Crimson album, even if they reside in the eclectic quarters. Then again, that is obvious isn't it? 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 29 2012 at 09:59

^ The above was exactly my reasoning for voting No with regards to Post-Metal.
(that and Swans not being Metal in any sort of way of course)

Prog-related they are neither, at least I won't 'sponsor' them.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 29 2012 at 06:44
I love the Swans, but I have to admit this is probably a tough call.  Only one album is required to qualify a band as prog, but if a band's done non-prog (progressive perhaps, but not prog; a distinction I've come to accept here) albums for 30 years and makes one prog album, does that really make them a prog band?  Just playing devil's advocate here, because of course I'd love to have the chance to officially review their albums here, but I trust the teams' judgment to make the right call here.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 29 2012 at 00:48
^ and people think Magma sounds like devil's music!

At least that song, sounds like some strong Avant.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 29 2012 at 00:01
Come'on guys, how is this not prog?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2012 at 10:07
The only other active member voted 'no'...so it looks like Swans are not getting on PA unless someone adds them as 'prog related'.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2012 at 09:35
I'd say from Soundtracks For The Blind onwards they were quite post-rock. The song "Helpless Child" is a monster of a track that predates a decent portion of these groups that spend full albums replicating that idea.

As for their stuff beforehand, it's not traditionally prog in the instrumentation, but the ideas are certainly progressive if nothing else. In the 80s, when a song from something like Greed comes on some college radio station, there was no mistake within a few seconds as to who that band was. Swans really had their own thing going on back then. I need to hear this new album of theirs, since it seems it really fits the post rock label according to everyone.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2012 at 01:28
Swans are a band that have been on my 'listen to' list for awhile; all the talk on the webz about the new album got me interested again. From what little I knew about them I thought they were some kind of noise-rock group. Apparently they are one of those groups who change their sound every few albums. I heard the entire new album and these are my thoughts...

It would make a great fit for Post. Not only does it sound like Post but Swans are sometimes referred to as 'post rock' and have a similar musical background to a lot of the early PR bands. Generally the music is in a similar territory to the darker, more orchestrated PR stuff but also has elements of Krautrock-influenced Post as well. About the only tracks that are not very post-y IMO would be "The Seer Returns" which sounds like TMV at their most bluesy, and the song with Karen O on vocals. Even that noisy, avant track sounds like GYBE.

OK, now that's all fine and dandy but here's the problem: currently only two of the four members of the PR team have been voting/posting. As it stands, a new suggestion needs three 'yes' votes. Not only Swans but every artist that is being suggested to the team will not be added until they can get a third 'yes' vote. So, I really don't know what's going to happen.

Great album, though. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2012 at 14:46
^ moved to post-rock team for a second shot, not PM in any case
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 25 2012 at 19:54
I have only just begun my journey with this band - meaning, I own some 5 albums by them, but as I hear it, what really would qualify them for inclusion here on PA, surely would be the most recent releases, where I for one hear a lot of post-rock. The thing is, it's pretty much their own concoction of it no less. Unlike Dean, I tend to hear it as something unequivocally progressive.
It doesn't sound like anything other in terms of post-rock, and that has a lot to do with the sombre and long drawn out atmospheres. Krautrock has been suggested, and maybe there is something in these vast atmospherics, I still think post fits better.
Anywho, the thing is - is a few (or one) album(s) enough, when the artists have a huge discography behind them that has little to do with PA. If so, where are The Scorpions? Or Serge Gainsbourg?
We either need that album tagging thing - allowing us to enter individual progressive outings, or else we have to go through a lot of those "Are Swans really prog?" Threads...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 25 2012 at 19:06
I think they'd be great in Related. They do kinda fit in Avant and Post-rock, but barely, IMO
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 25 2012 at 18:56
It's only logical that Swans should be in the database, like seriously.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 24 2012 at 23:17
/\ I really don't think so
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 24 2012 at 23:08
Post-Rock? I guess.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 22 2012 at 22:44
If they get rejected would someone be awesome enough to sponsor for prog-related?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 22 2012 at 08:56

Put in a resounding 'NO' this morning but hadn't seen this thread nor heard The Seer yet.

Intriguing listen, being largely instrumental it brings the music more to the fore then any other Swans album.
Not sure though this one album is Prog enough to support inclusion of this band.
Not that the 'indie' label does them any justice of course...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2012 at 15:02
Personally, I didn't get much out of the album, but I can defiantly see them fitting into Prog-Related, possibly even RIO/Avant
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2012 at 14:32
I've not heard everything they've done but I'd definitely agree that The Seer is the most progressive I've heard from them, not sure where they would fit on PA, though.

And I still like Filth more :P
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2012 at 14:29
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Interesting. My initial reaction was just "No", but I haven't got The Seer (yet - I'm a big fan and I will be buying it).
 


I recommend you get on that, magnificent album.  I don't hesitate at all to say it's their best yet.
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