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    Posted: September 28 2016 at 18:40
Originally posted by Rednight Rednight wrote:

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How deep was that!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 28 2016 at 14:30
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 16 2016 at 20:46
I thought everyone knew Paul was replaced in '66 by Billy Shears aka William Shepherd aka Carl Henley-Wenstort who then died in a suspicious "car accident" the same year.  This is the second fake McCartney who replaced the first fake -



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2016 at 23:23
If the Beatles had never existed then neither would the Rutles, and that would be very tragic to me.




P.S. I happen to like the Beatles.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2016 at 21:02
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

what if? the beatles....Never existed! (We all have our dreams and wishes)

Gezz, Catch, did one of the Beatles steal your lunch money when you were a kid? LOL 

LOL Ha!! Believe me, they would have never made it a block in the 'hood I grew up in....Lunch and money were luxuries.....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2016 at 10:49
Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

what if? the beatles....Never existed! (We all have our dreams and wishes)

Gezz, Catch, did one of the Beatles steal your lunch money when you were a kid? LOL 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2016 at 10:16
what if? the beatles....Never existed! (We all have our dreams and wishes)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 02 2016 at 05:35
Given their penchant for experimentation, I'm going to say that they would have become hardcore prog, had they stayed together.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 01 2016 at 20:10
wait.. I'm confused...  I thought the Beatles never existed...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 01 2016 at 19:55
The key to continuity was concert performance. The invention of the PA got the Stones rolling again. Once The Beatles had a few gigs under their belt then their sense of collective identity would have been reinforced.

Still times had moved on and the 1970s heralded instrumental firepower and spectacle. Slavish audience devotion would have permeated but where would they have stood with acts both as sonically varied and visually spectacular as The Who and Pink Floyd, not to mention audio content involving. Rock bands, including The Beatles all knew how to record albums by then and there were many good ones too. Chances are The Beatles would have become closer, in time, to The Hollies.

Being a target for the punk new wave would have been unappealing. Musically I'd say they would have been very firmly pop rock MOR. Nice songs but no bite.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 16 2016 at 08:46
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by zravkapt zravkapt wrote:

The next album would sound like a cross between Plastic Ono Band, Macca's debut and George's All Things Must Pass.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 16 2016 at 06:53
Originally posted by zravkapt zravkapt wrote:

The next album would sound like a cross between Plastic Ono Band, Macca's debut and George's All Things Must Pass.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 12 2016 at 14:16
Originally posted by Rednight Rednight wrote:

[QUOTE=AZF]Those two Fabs [Lennon and Harrison] were probably the most like minded musically among all of them. In fact, George wanted himself and Lennon to carry on with a new band after the disbanding, a notion the latter rejected from the onset...

It would have been interesting to see what Lennon and Harrison would've come up with in the era of, say, Meddle or DSotM Floyd. While unlikely, I can imagine a scenario in which the Lennon of Imagine and the Harrison of All Things Must Pass create a politically-charged concept album with folk-prog/psych/space rock elements. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 09 2016 at 11:26
Originally posted by AZF AZF wrote:

And George Harrison was quoted saying he didn't like Disco, so that would be at least John's enthusiasm.
Wasn't it the band broke up during the Get Back sessions but decided on the once again for the final time and produced Abbey Road? P.A. systems improving could of even seen them return to touring.
George hates disco, so John then likes it - just like that. Those two Fabs were probably the most like minded musically among all of them. In fact, George wanted himself and Lennon to carry on with a new band after the disbanding, a notion the latter rejected from the onset. What interested Lennon was oldies, protest songs, and plastic. As for touring, no, they were done with it forever by August 1966 (good-bye Candlestick Park, 2015). The January '69 rooftop concert was merely a wild hair that brought the lads some degree of good will amongst what had been a generally dismal group of recording sessions (the "Get Back" ones).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 09 2016 at 10:51
Would not have the same authenticity.Its unique as an album end of.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 08 2016 at 10:03
Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

I think George gets far too much credit for his early electronic experiments. He basically stole Bernie Krause's mojo...doing so in very bad form imo: http://astronautapinguim.blogspot.dk/2012/12/five-questions-to-bernie-krause.html
Casts an altogether different light on a supposedly flower power dude with nothing but peace in his heart.
Sure this is to be taken with a grain of salt; no other evidence than Bernie's words, but I happen to believe him.
Well, I've personally never heard any accolades towards Harrison's ill-fated Moog album, other than he was the one of first musical superstars to buy one and record his album "Electronic Sound."
 
Harrison was not impressed with own efforts and when told that the album was avant-garde by critics, Harrison cheekily replied that it's more like "I avant-garde a clue."
 
And as the album sold so poorly, I'm sure Krause never got his "few quid."
 
Btw, Harrison was one of the first to put down the Flower Power scene when he visited San Francisco in 1968 and found nothing but homeless hippies offering him drugs. He was well beyond LSD at that time, having gone spiritual with Hinduism.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 08 2016 at 08:04
I think George gets far too much credit for his early electronic experiments. He basically stole Bernie Krause's mojo...doing so in very bad form imo: http://astronautapinguim.blogspot.dk/2012/12/five-questions-to-bernie-krause.html
Casts an altogether different light on a supposedly flower power dude with nothing but peace in his heart.
Sure this is to be taken with a grain of salt; no other evidence than Bernie's words, but I happen to believe him.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 08 2016 at 08:00
And George Harrison was quoted saying he didn't like Disco, so that would be at least John's enthusiasm.
Wasn't it the band broke up during the Get Back sessions but decided on the once again for the final time and produced Abbey Road? And then the Get Back sessions come out later as Let It Be.
I reckon there could of been three more albums after Abbey Road, but I couldn't no matter how out of it on imagination, I just can't see The Beatles existing after 1975 at the earliest if they carried on making albums. P.A. systems improving could of even seen them return to touring.
I can picture what songs would be used. As long as "Remember" was in the running order!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 08 2016 at 04:25

^I agree with you, but would like to elaborate for our young friend who posted the question. Aside from consciously, or subconsciously, knowing that the time to end the Beatles was neigh, the group was also in dire financial straits with their Apple Records venture. And a hit record like Abbey Road was the remedy.

But the crux of this answer depends on where the Beatles were both musically and personally. Lennon went along with McCartney and George Martin's plan to produce another slick studio album and Lennon had little love for Abby Road, aside from his own songs. He rejected the use of the mellotron that he used earlier and  the music he produced using it. George Harrison rejected the Moog synth after being one of he first musicians in he UK to actually buy one and record an album prior to Abby Road titled Electronic Sound.
 
He felt that he failed to make anything of musical value on that album and was annoyed that McCartney did when using the same Moog on songs like Maxwell's Silver Hammer.
 
So, only McCartney remained somewhat open to synths as is evidenced on his 1973 Wings album Band On The Run. I think that if the Beatles had stayed together for a few more albums, their music (or McCartney's songs at least) would have been no more progressive than that. 
 
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 08 2016 at 01:36
The way I see it is that it is a moment in time lost forever. The four went off in their own direction. Lennon went minimalist. McCartney rejected George Martin (who I think wanted to keep working with him) and went more pop. George Harrison went a bit more bluesy. And Ringo just kept having fun. The experimentation you see in the White Album is a result of four individuals doing their own thing and George Martin trying to cobble the whole thing together like a jigsaw puzzle. By Abby Road the jig was up and McCartney and Martin gave the Beatles fans a parting gift of a couple of brilliant Harrison songs combined with a couple of brilliant Lennon songs and McCartney and Martin tying the thing together in the studio. At that point Lennon and Harrison had lost interest in the band.
It's a mistake to think that the Beatles could keep on going forever producing one great album after another. Creativity doesn't work that way. Take the Beach Boys album, Smile. The album was abandoned in 1967. Capitol brought out their own version of the 1966 recorded Smile Sessions around 2008. Brian Wilson recorded his own version of Smile around the same time. The work is largely the creativity of Brian Wilson. However when you listen to the Brian Wilson version of Smile there is no noticeable improvement in the originality or even progression in the music. It's like listening to a suspension in time in the music. The music of the Beatles I think would have been much like that. The music of the Beatles needed people like Bob Fripp, Peter Hammill, David Bowie and many others to progress it further down the path of time.
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