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    Posted: April 27 2017 at 20:43
Originally posted by uduwudu uduwudu wrote:

If I were to ask someone what rock music sounded like and this person pointed me in the direction of Tupac Shakur and said "this is rock" is this person right or wrong?


He would be wrong.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2017 at 09:47
Nothing surprising, the media will focus on what will give it attention. Sure, putting "Yes" on the title will get prog fans clicking on the article, but that might be 1-5% of their entire consumers, whereas "Tupac" might go much above 20%.

That's why niche-specific news reporting is important and popular. Because mainstream media will cover mainstream events mostly.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2017 at 06:44
If I were to ask someone what rock music sounded like and this person pointed me in the direction of Tupac Shakur and said "this is rock" is this person right or wrong?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2017 at 05:41
The BBC are certainly never going to laud middle class white men over a single violent black man. I mean being white and male is like original sin to the BBC, you have to be ashamed to have been born with such privilege! 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2017 at 00:04
One of the new Kendrick Lamar songs feature U2 and it's surprisingly good (I hate U2 but like Kendrick)
Classical music isn't dead, it's more alive than it's ever been. It's just not on MTV.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 26 2017 at 16:45
I like it, but I still prefer the original that it samples ("Introit" off of William Sheller's Lux Aeterna, which has long been one of my favourite albums).

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 26 2017 at 16:17
Originally posted by altaeria altaeria wrote:


When will some rapper break the mold and give us mixed 9/8 with 7/4 meter ??
This is not what hip-hop is about, but anyway there you go:



a) sci-fi/highbrow concept? Check

b) long tracks? Check

c) clever instrumentation? Check

d) irregular time sigs? Check (in the chorus)

So here we are, hip-hop can prog sometimes
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2017 at 10:29
Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:


I doubt any reporter/magazine wants to feature a band with guys that just finished filming Dawn of the Dead....

LOL

That's not even the worst picture of Howe that I've seen!!  


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2017 at 10:12
What's all this about a toilet and who said yes and why is it significant?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 19 2017 at 14:27
Originally posted by mechanicalflattery mechanicalflattery wrote:

Face it, that "crappy rapper" is more famous and renowned than Yes. Should he be? Eh, probably not. Who knows? Better yet, who cares? I'm sure at least once Yes has been criticized for overshadowing the "true" musical greats. Live and let live. Most importantly, don't expect mainstream journalism to have worthwhile opinions on art. 

How many Tupac songs have any of us actually listened to anyway?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 19 2017 at 11:42
Originally posted by Thatfabulousalien Thatfabulousalien wrote:

"DONALD TRUMP INDUCTED INTO THE ROCK 'N ROLL HALL OF FAME 2018"
Wouldn't surprise me- I honestly have no clue how the mind of Greg Harris operates. Rusty gears and broken circuits.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 18 2017 at 23:43
"DONALD TRUMP INDUCTED INTO THE ROCK 'N ROLL HALL OF FAME 2018"
Classical music isn't dead, it's more alive than it's ever been. It's just not on MTV.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 18 2017 at 22:40
Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

Originally posted by aglasshouse aglasshouse wrote:

Originally posted by Polymorphia Polymorphia wrote:

Tupac is dope yo. Yes is dope too, and definitely underrepresented in the article (ELO too), but I think Tupac's influence is a bit stronger now than Yes', especially with the most lauded and influential album of 2015, Kendrick Lamar's To Pimp a Butterfly, featuring an "interview" with him, a pivotal moment in the album. He definitely warrants a paragraph or two. 


Tupac is more of a modern contemporary and thus warrants more article-space, and of course Uncle Kendrick's interview with him on Mortal Man (I think) is also a reason he should. I'm sure if this article was written in 1973 Yes would have been the highlight. But while I think Tupac's influence is massive, I think it's a bit muddied when we're talking about whose influence is larger if we're considering them both in terms of music as a whole -- that's just something I'm not really sure of. But Tony's right in the fact that Tupac deserves more article space considering it's the modern era.


As I understand, Tupac was killed about 20 years ago, so I don't think that's very modern anymore. Besides, once again, he's not rock, so what's he got to do in a rock event?

20 years is more modern than 50 years, I would think. As for the rock part, yeah....the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is very...interesting in the way it perceives what "rock" is defined as. Rock is such an unbelievably massive genre that encompasses innumerable other subgenres that it's not too hard to believe that they would at some point bring rap under that banner. I personally think it's silly for them to do so because well I don't consider it rock, and the 'pro' arguments consist of strawmen of black-culture-despising reactions to the phenomenon and beating around the bush of finding real reasons why the Hall of Fame should other than the former. You gotta be a certain amount of crazy to agree with Gene Simmons on an issue.

Aside from this, this undercuts the fact that jazz artists have also been inducted, like Ray Charles -- and he isn't rock either. Just a thought. I believe in all honesty that if the R&RHOF believes that rap and specifically Tupac are worthy of induction, let them be free to do so.

As for the article nonsense, it's coming from the BBC so I really don't take them too seriously anyway. But if they are juxtaposing Tupac with Yes or ELO then it's nothing short of a smart decision as a publication to talk more about Tupac. He appeals to the younger and more impressionable audience much more than Yes, simply because more young people know who he is. It's a simple but effective move. Hell, they talked more about Joan Baez than they did Tupac, mainly because of the Donald Trump reference to (likely) capitalize on current hot-button politics. I'd say all-in-all it's not something to get too worked up about.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 18 2017 at 21:30
Originally posted by aglasshouse aglasshouse wrote:

Originally posted by Polymorphia Polymorphia wrote:

Tupac is dope yo. Yes is dope too, and definitely underrepresented in the article (ELO too), but I think Tupac's influence is a bit stronger now than Yes', especially with the most lauded and influential album of 2015, Kendrick Lamar's To Pimp a Butterfly, featuring an "interview" with him, a pivotal moment in the album. He definitely warrants a paragraph or two. 


Tupac is more of a modern contemporary and thus warrants more article-space, and of course Uncle Kendrick's interview with him on Mortal Man (I think) is also a reason he should. I'm sure if this article was written in 1973 Yes would have been the highlight. But while I think Tupac's influence is massive, I think it's a bit muddied when we're talking about whose influence is larger if we're considering them both in terms of music as a whole -- that's just something I'm not really sure of. But Tony's right in the fact that Tupac deserves more article space considering it's the modern era.


As I understand, Tupac was killed about 20 years ago, so I don't think that's very modern anymore. Besides, once again, he's not rock, so what's he got to do in a rock event?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 18 2017 at 16:02
Originally posted by Polymorphia Polymorphia wrote:

Tupac is dope yo. Yes is dope too, and definitely underrepresented in the article (ELO too), but I think Tupac's influence is a bit stronger now than Yes', especially with the most lauded and influential album of 2015, Kendrick Lamar's To Pimp a Butterfly, featuring an "interview" with him, a pivotal moment in the album. He definitely warrants a paragraph or two. 

Tupac is more of a modern contemporary and thus warrants more article-space, and of course Uncle Kendrick's interview with him on Mortal Man (I think) is also a reason he should. I'm sure if this article was written in 1973 Yes would have been the highlight. But while I think Tupac's influence is massive, I think it's a bit muddied when we're talking about whose influence is larger if we're considering them both in terms of music as a whole -- that's just something I'm not really sure of. But Tony's right in the fact that Tupac deserves more article space considering it's the modern era.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 18 2017 at 10:58

When will some rapper break the mold and give us mixed 9/8 with 7/4 meter ?? 
Maybe they could babble over isolated instrumental tracks from the first UK album.  

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 13 2017 at 11:56
Originally posted by twosteves twosteves wrote:

Tupac was a martyr and now according to Biggie an accidental martyr----so anyone that dies young OD's--suicide---murdered---is going to carry a  certain interest and mythical  greatness---forever.

Martyr?

A martyr is a person who sacrifices his life for a greater cause.

Tupac was a criminal who died as he lived.
            
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 13 2017 at 01:41
Originally posted by cemego cemego wrote:

I thoroughly enjoyed Rick Wakeman's romp through old man pervy sexy jokes. I was disappointed he didn't keep going.  F*CK the "Rock and Roll" hall of fame.  They can suck it.


My thoughts as well. I am not a fan of such jokes in general, but in this context it was a great oxymoron - juxtaposition between achievements such as Heart of Sunrise/Close to the Edge and silly, nasty joking. No big words of thanks or crocodile tears. I think there were enough of them. Just an innocent mockery on opulent and politically correct so called Rock and Roll HoF.  But I liked other speeches too, particularly the one of Geddy Lee.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 12 2017 at 22:46
Tupac was a martyr and now according to Biggie an accidental martyr----so anyone that dies young OD's--suicide---murdered---is going to carry a  certain interest and mythical  greatness---forever.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 12 2017 at 07:39
Oh I read it as not needing to explain who ELO, Journey and Yes were Wink.
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