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Blacksword
Prog Reviewer Joined: June 22 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 16130 |
Topic: Radiohead: Prog or Not? Posted: June 30 2017 at 03:34 |
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iluvmarillion
Forum Senior Member Joined: February 09 2010 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 3236 |
Posted: June 30 2017 at 01:05 | ||
Great band whatever you want to call them.
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geekfreak
Forum Senior Member Joined: June 21 2013 Location: Musical Garden Status: Offline Points: 9872 |
Posted: June 29 2017 at 23:38 | ||
Yes Yes Yes Hmmmm YES!!!!
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Evolver
Special Collaborator Crossover & JR/F/Canterbury Teams Joined: October 22 2005 Location: The Idiocracy Status: Offline Points: 5482 |
Posted: June 29 2017 at 12:33 | ||
Do I think they are prog? no
Do I like them? no Does it bother me that they are listed here? no |
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Guldbamsen
Special Collaborator Retired Admin Joined: January 22 2009 Location: Magic Theatre Status: Offline Points: 23098 |
Posted: June 29 2017 at 11:37 | ||
I often think along the same lines tbh. If prog rock had to do with the actual music (it did in the beginning though!) then it would've been what we nowadays call post-punk outfits who'd been dubbed prog rock. It was at the time a movement that progressed rock - experimented with the format - just like the early proggers did. Prog has since the late 70s basically turned into a genre of music defined by many of the things we herald as wonderful here on PA ie mellotrons, odd time signatures, fusing rock with classical/folk/etc and so forth. It is very little new prog that actually is progressive, but then again that goes for all music genres - at least the ones that are over 30 years old. The question though is whether or not the music is good - not how progressive it is. |
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Upbeat Tango Monday
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Posted: June 29 2017 at 11:26 | ||
I've said it before and I'll say it again: prog rock is a music genre. It has nothing to do with following a timeline. Britney is not proggier than Yes.
"It's 2017, so every new fad is prog and everything from the 70's is old" It doesn't work like that. Even the real meaning of progress has nothing to do with timelines. If you think it does, then the Iranian Revolution of 1979 and the rise of religious extremism means progress. The rehash of the old "panem et circenses" and the rise of big govt. worshippers is no progress either (it tosses away the gathered knowledge in both politics and economics of the last five thousand years). You can move forward in time while regressing, and the fourth world war might be fought with sticks and stones. Progress doesn't follow a straight line and it's not constant. Let's suppose Radiohead recorded their albums back in the 70's and Yes and Genesis released Fragile and Foxtrot today...now you can see progress, can't you? But I digress... |
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Blacksword
Prog Reviewer Joined: June 22 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 16130 |
Posted: June 29 2017 at 08:51 | ||
It's ironic then that prog bands are in no way progressive, but arguably little more than tribute acts for a bygone age, following that logic. 'Prog' bands were progressive at the time, because they were 'progressing' beyond existing forms of rock music, which is what the likes of Radiohead are doing now, sooo, by definition Radiohead are actually a real prog band. IMO. They are where true progressive rock is now (and has been for the last 20+ years)Purists may not like that, but I think that is the reality. |
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Tom Ozric
Prog Reviewer Joined: September 03 2005 Location: Olympus Mons Status: Offline Points: 15916 |
Posted: June 29 2017 at 08:41 | ||
I am generally a 'non-fan' when it comes to this 'alt-rock' sensation. HOWEVER, I bought the dbl 10" edition of Kid A. I like it a lot. It's great, I can see / hear / understand wh they are loved and considered Progressive. But am I sold - no. Do I think they are up there with the others considered as Prog ?? Not really. If Radiohead have any links with Prog, then so do Anthrax. Apologies, but this is how I see it.......(and Anthrax are more prog to me, or at least, related, than Metallica. Anyway, I'm off to bed coz I clearly have had too much to drink......
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Lewian
Prog Reviewer Joined: August 09 2015 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 14186 |
Posted: June 29 2017 at 08:23 | ||
Good band, I'm happy they're here. Do I think they're prog? I don't care.
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mlkpad14
Forum Senior Member Joined: January 23 2017 Location: U.S. Status: Offline Points: 665 |
Posted: June 29 2017 at 07:13 | ||
I don't understand why the band is so controversial. I think they are awesome, and very prog indeed.
But, this is Prog Archives... Isn't it? |
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Nogbad_The_Bad
Forum & Site Admin Group RIO/Avant/Zeuhl & Eclectic Team Joined: March 16 2007 Location: Boston Status: Offline Points: 20296 |
Posted: June 27 2017 at 16:27 | ||
If this site was just these types of bands I wouldn't be here.
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Ian
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Logan
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Posted: June 27 2017 at 16:11 | ||
True, David. Incidentally, I would like to see much more progressive music covered, but would want changes in design and added features to make finding music that might be of interest easier. I'm glad that we expanded from classic Prog, and wish that the design/ layouts/ features were more progressive and less retro. The site's appearance and functionality has not changed very much since I joined... Well, of course we have had accessibility problems for what is left of the humans (not sure if the robots have been inconvenienced, but Ok computer, whatever) -- that's progress for you, robots and AI are the future, but I won't let that drive me round the Bends. But I digress.
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Guldbamsen
Special Collaborator Retired Admin Joined: January 22 2009 Location: Magic Theatre Status: Offline Points: 23098 |
Posted: June 27 2017 at 14:57 | ||
I feel much the same Greg. I mostly listen to music under the psych, avant, fusion, kraut, zeuhl and rpi monikers these days - music I wouldn't describe as prog yet still feel belong on PA. Then again things would be a lot easier to navigate through if the site had stuck with classic prog.
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Logan
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Posted: June 27 2017 at 14:44 | ||
Experimental and progressive. Like David and Roe have said: Prog? No. Progressive? Yes.
That said, I could say that certain music by Radiohead is both progressive and Prog depending on the definition/ parameters. If this site had stuck to what is classically, or quintessentially Prog then I would find it a much less interesting archive. Additionally, such "what is Prog", "what is progressive" and "is this Prog?" discussion questions almost, sort-of seemingly, rather have seemed the lifeblood of this board despite the fact that such oft repeated questions can be draining to some (but to us vampires...). |
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SteveG
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Posted: June 27 2017 at 14:27 | ||
Rick Wakeman says they're prog. Anyone want to argue this with Wakeman?
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RoeDent
Forum Senior Member Joined: September 08 2009 Location: Wales Status: Offline Points: 850 |
Posted: June 27 2017 at 13:35 | ||
Prog? No. Progressive? Yes. (No pun intended.)
Now, we need to distinguish between prog and progressive. Prog bands stick to the 70s formula. So bands like The Flower Kings, Transatlantic, The Tangent et al. Progressive bands, by the very word, move along, progress forwards. It's pretty safe to say Radiohead are in that group.
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Nogbad_The_Bad
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Posted: June 27 2017 at 08:57 | ||
You guys are killing me
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Ian
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thebeastmustdie
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Posted: June 27 2017 at 08:42 | ||
if tracks like Creep, Karma Police, My Iron Lung, No Surprises, High + Dry etc are considered 'prog' then I guess I really don't know what prog is.
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uduwudu
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Posted: June 27 2017 at 08:17 | ||
Not even close. Imagine this lot turning up with KC, Yes, Genesis, et al. Grunge meets punk and they both lose.
They've said no and for once I agree with 'em. Still I suppose if you do have say, a punk collection where the star prize is never mind the bollox then this probably sounds like Celeste in comparison, with the virtuosity of Gentle Giant. |
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Guldbamsen
Special Collaborator Retired Admin Joined: January 22 2009 Location: Magic Theatre Status: Offline Points: 23098 |
Posted: June 27 2017 at 08:04 | ||
Btw Scorpius you're doing it again you cheeky man!
Just like The Endless River poll you're asking two different questions. 'Prog or Not' but the poll question is 'do you consider Radiohead to be a progressive band'. Those are two very different questions as any style of music can be progressive. The Beach Boys fx were very progressive in their day and helped push music forth, but they were never a prog band. Wu-Tang Clan sport a similar story only they populate an altogether different sounding area of music....but they were about as progressive as anything you can come up with. Sure I get the gist of this poll which is why I posted earlier but I think part of why any of the new bands featured on PA have difficulty in gaining widespread recognition is indeed down to the fanbase slapping uncool and wholly unnecessary stickers on the music. I have done this too and probably still do to an extent, but I think it is unfair to jumble most of what is happening under the experimental rock banner into one homogenous pot - thereby also stretching the confines of what prog rock is. We see this all over the musical map though where everything seems to have get muddied with fx disco and rap artists suddenly heralded as rock in the RaRHoF. Most of this probably stems from misguided fans of x band/artist trying to rewrite history in order to highlight a mirage that never happened. 'Oh but it's true. Elvis did invent post-punk. Haven't you heard the unreleased basement tapes from Iggy Pop's old daycare?'. But, and this is the only question that matters in these prog or not discussions, do any of you guys and gals truly believe that any music produced in this day and age has a bigger chance of making it because it's prog? I think it is the exact opposite to be perfectly honest. Radiohead is above all of this because they made their fame under vastly different circumstances - mostly because they started out as a rock band, pure and simple. Stickers have since then been added but had they started out labelled as a new prog band (let's face it there are many bands starting out right this minute labelled as prog that sound even less like prog rock) they would most likely not have made an impact. No amount of 'Creep' can compete with an uncool label. Edited by Guldbamsen - June 27 2017 at 08:11 |
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