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cstack3 
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Posted: December 20 2017 at 22:56 |
 dr wu23 wrote:
Uh...it's probably been mentioned in this thread already but my vote is for Country and Western being the 'whitest' music.....
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Indiana, huh?
LOL!! You are probably correct, and I can't think of a musical idiom that would benefit more from input of minorities than CW.
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Posted: December 20 2017 at 21:27 |
Uh...it's probably been mentioned in this thread already but my vote is for Country and Western being the 'whitest' music.....
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Posted: December 20 2017 at 19:33 |
ProcolWho? wrote:
Might be a lot of truth to the white men do prog thing, but no one does it better than the great David Sancious .
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Great comment!! OP here, thanks for the input!
OK, so perhaps culturally, prog music (especially British prog from the 1970s) was predominately white. Big deal....rap is predominantly black, salsa is predominantly Latin etc.
Interestingly, many of the most influential musicians in prog were hardly white....David Sancious is a great example! Also Stanley Clarke, Chick Corea, Chester Thompson, and many more!
Patrick Moraz's amazing solo LP "The Story of i" featured a veritable orchestra of percussionists and musicians, many of whom would not identify as "white!"
Also, there were certain black groups from the 1970s who exhibited progressive traits....I'm thinking of Parliament/Funkadelic, who had a stage show as elaborate and over-the-top as anything by Yes or ELP!
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Posted: December 19 2017 at 17:17 |
I actually heard that Elric was a big fan of Hawkwind. 
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Posted: December 19 2017 at 08:49 |
Tillerman88 wrote:
Prog Music - the whitest music, ever!
yeah that's the reason why Pink Floyd is not 'prog' music......... it's the pinkest music, ever! hahaha...lol
haha it's pretty funny how 'prog' has become such a meaningless and useless and vague definition these days........... |
Weird ... Pink Anderson and Floyd Council were black!
I suppose that roger's blues were as good as the originals ... who knows?
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Posted: December 10 2017 at 22:54 |
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Might be a lot of truth to the white men do prog thing, but no one does it better than the great David Sancious .
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Posted: November 09 2017 at 11:53 |
OK, just read the article. Jez, where do I start. Let's go with the flawed premise that rock musicians should never try to do anything outside the box. Rock music should only be short simple songs with three chords , played in 4/4 . Then King Crimson and Yes came along and ruined music with their lofty ideas until the Ramones came and saved us from the evil that was prog rock! sh*t, is this guy kidding me!!
I have heard this rap a million times & I still don't get it. Prog pushes the envelope & yes, it can be hit & miss sometimes. For every Close to the Edge there is a Love Beach, but that's OK. When you swing for the fences you are going to strike out sometimes but it's better than bunting every time you get up to bat.
And one more thing, Why do these guys always pick on Greg Lake's Persian Rug!! Every time I read one of these prog-bashers they gotta bring up the damn rug. Who cares!?!
Edited by Argo2112 - November 09 2017 at 14:21
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Posted: November 09 2017 at 08:29 |
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Posted: November 09 2017 at 08:17 |
Is it wrong that I hate "soul" music? R&B does nothing for me. I am the whitest person I know and I can argue that Prog is the whitest music ever but that would be silly.
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Posted: November 08 2017 at 11:03 |
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Posted: November 08 2017 at 09:09 |
AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:
That's funny you say that because I think "knots" is one of their best songs. :D To each their own I guess. |
Indeed. To me it's unlistenable I'm not a big fan anyway, but it blights what is otherwise a pretty good album IMO.
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Posted: November 08 2017 at 09:06 |
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That's funny you say that because I think "knots" is one of their best songs. :D To each their own I guess.
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Posted: November 08 2017 at 03:15 |
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Possibly the worst article I've ever read on prog rock. Predictable drivel from a music hack with no understanding of music. As for the racial element, I have no interest or comment to make. I couldn't care less.
He is right about one thing though. Knots by Gentle Giant is absolute rubbish.
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Posted: November 08 2017 at 02:41 |
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Anyone I suppose that doesnt use the blues scale in their rock risks having their music labeled as too white. In the 60s, rock could go either way. Both the Beatles and The Beach boys wrote songs using the blues scale as well as songs that used more traditional major or minor scales. But then rock diversified into diffent genres, and some were bluesy almost by requirement, while others, like prog and folk rock, stuck more to major and minor scales (hence, they were perceived as more "white"). Interesting, in the US, bands out of California, like the Laurel Canyon artists (CSNY, mamas and the poppas) were too white for many of the rock purists. Prog met a similar fate. But the battle between the scales didnt end there. Punk was the rock purists answer to non bluesy prog. But also, I always felt a reverse situation took place later in the 90s with grunge and alt rock. Alt rock is a genre that almost seems defined by its lack of use of the blues scale. And was it a rebellion against heavy metal, which arguably overused it ad nauseum?
I wonder how many rock musicians are even conscious of the exact scales they are using when they write. Somehow, I imagine that the Beatles were, because Lennon seemed to know that kind of stuff. A lot of other guys, though, might go "well, should we write a major key song, or a minor key song?". Thats something everyone understands, but then if they choose minor key, they might go on to use the blues scale without really realizing it. Little might they know the consequences, i.e. acceptance or rejection by the rock purists, due to their innocent choice of scales, hee hee :) On the other hand, though, I doubt very much that they care..
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Posted: October 25 2017 at 16:13 |
siLLy puPPy wrote:
Therefore countries that fit these parameters have produced the most prog since it is a type of music that requires higher education systems, stable social issues etc. Therefore white countries like Greece under a dictatorship during the 70s were left out of the scene whereas countries like Argentina and Japan had healthy contributions.
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Same as Portugal which had a small handful of 70's prog albums, and the 2 highest ranked PA albums were bands/projects involving Jose Cid ("10,000 Anois Depois Entre Venus e Marte" & "Quarteto 1111"). I find it very sad that during the time Europe was producing the amazing prog that defined the foundation of the genre, that some musicians were not allowed to participate due to government oppression of musical expression. Think of all the great prog that was not allowed to develop due to disgusting politicians  As far as the original article that is the main focus of this thread...pure rubbish. The article could have come straight from the pen of Rolling Stone who clearly has a bias against any rock they think is "too white" and thus "inauthentic". This is also likely why there are so few prog bands in the ridiculous R&RHoF (which many believe is just a tool of Jann Wenner and his prog hating RS cronies). Tupac, Run DMC & Donna Summer are in their hall of fame but Tull, ELP & King Crimson aren't rock and roll enough? How about just too white. Screw this article.
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Posted: October 24 2017 at 14:01 |
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Articles that identify the "whitest" aspects of any artistic subset are the whitest things ever.
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Posted: October 24 2017 at 13:53 |
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Blues and Jazz have predominantly non white roots. Most world music roots is non white or at least non EU and USA. Of the triumvirate of major influences on 60s/70's rock, only classical is of a predominantly Caucasian background (and this doesn't include Chinese or Indian classical forms, which actually had a huge influence on progressive development of rock music. The more ive actively sought out different progressive music, the more languages, cultures and multitude of skin tones are what i see in music.
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Posted: October 24 2017 at 13:39 |
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Prog music white? Sh#t.
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Posted: October 22 2017 at 22:15 |
I don't know. Europe actually has a larger population than the US does anyway so if there are more European prog fans that could be part of it. There's probably more people who know about it over there too. That said I do think there are plenty of prog fans in the US.
As for it being the whitest music ever I would probably have to disagree with that. I would say Country and Western is. I have actually met two black people who like country and western(both women) but I would say that's very unusual. As for prog, it's true, most of the fans are white but I have seen a few non white people at prog shows. I think people who are not white just tend to not know about it(I know they are out there though). Maybe there aren't many prog fans in Africa but I know there are a lot in South America, Mexico and Central America. They aren't counted as white correct? So, in north america yes because black people and latinos probably aren't exposed to it like white people are here. The same reason you don't have many twenty and thirty somethings who are into prog in the US(not counting those who mainly just know DT, PT and Rush).
Edited by AFlowerKingCrimson - October 22 2017 at 22:25
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