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Sean Trane
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Topic: What did you like about the music of the 70s? Posted: January 05 2018 at 02:19 |
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condor
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Posted: January 04 2018 at 13:23 | |||
Heart, Be Bop Deluxe, Roxy Music
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The.Crimson.King
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Posted: January 04 2018 at 10:13 | |||
We're still not connecting on this. I don't mean "rhythm" in terms of a rock rhythm section which is obviously huge in prog, but styles of music that focus only on rhythm or 'beats'...
Well, I always did my best to stay far away from 70's commercial radio
I didn't need bras and panties of disco going chicks, my Yes-fan wife bought me my Disco Sucks shirt
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Mortte
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Posted: January 04 2018 at 10:05 | |||
Well, I think I understood wrong. I understood youīre saying that experimental music was the greatest in the eighties and there isnīt much of it at seventies or sixties. But you seem to say that it didnīt develop anymore after eighties. And I agree, there are still experimental acts today, but nothing really new.
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Sean Trane
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Posted: January 04 2018 at 09:41 | |||
I don't see how we disagree here.... I was talking of a later experimental rock date, not an earlier one Maybe I shouldn't have mentioned RIO, for its starting date is in themed-70's.
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Mortte
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Posted: January 04 2018 at 05:54 | |||
Forgot to mention Frank Zappa. His Lumpy Gravy is really experimental, also Motherīs Uncle Meat.
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Mortte
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Posted: January 04 2018 at 04:23 | |||
let's just say that prog was semi-experimental music, but popular (in numbers & sales) enough to be encompassed in the "mainstream". But let's face it, most experimental (let's say Avant/RIO) hasn't really progressed much since the mid-80's (when RIO peaked, but also stuff like Cabaret Voltaire, Throbbing Gristle or Killing Joke, etc....) Only post-rock and Trip Hop were meaningful experimental movements and both came close to be 'mainstream", but no cigar. Disagree. Even in Finland Pekka Airaksinen joined into Sperm collective and they released 1970 really ahead of time, experimental album "Shh, Heinäsirkat". Then there were Velvet Underground, Red Krayola, Captain Beefheart and His Magic Band. Lots of bands in German Krautrock-movement were really experimental. Brian Eno started his experimental solo career in 1973 and Pere Ubu is formed in 1975. If you think experimental hadnīt progressed in those I just mentioned, I donīt understand you. I donīt think experimental has ever been very near of mainstream, although for example Sonic Youth become quite popular when starting add more conventional elements into itīs music.
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Sean Trane
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Posted: January 04 2018 at 03:52 | |||
let's just say that prog was semi-experimental music, but popular (in numbers & sales) enough to be encompassed in the "mainstream". But let's face it, most experimental (let's say Avant/RIO) hasn't really progressed much since the mid-80's (when RIO peaked, but also stuff like Cabaret Voltaire, Throbbing Gristle or Killing Joke, etc....) Only post-rock and Trip Hop were meaningful experimental movements and both came close to be 'mainstream", but no cigar.
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Logan
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Posted: January 04 2018 at 00:11 | |||
^^ Condor rarely posts in topics he starts beyond the initial post.
Point taken, and I'm just having some fun here, but I assume he means any kind of "mainstream music in particular" that you enjoy. If this topic asked "What did you hate about the music of the 70s?", then I would assume the opposite. He said, "For me, the guitar solos that were ever slightly so cool, and centred around 3/10ths from the base of the neck" which makes me imagine that he likes rock guitar hero types, but it need not be exclusive to that. I expect that that doesn't mean that we have to discuss music that employs guitars. To each his or her own tastes, of course, but there's quite a bit of Space Disco Electro-Disco and Euro-Disco infused music that I like from the latter half of the 70s into the 80s, and beyond. But I like Giorgio Moroder and "Progressive Electronic" music, and it can help to like certain Krautrock. I only post the following vid to share with the general public. A lot of music I like has disco qualities. As for the question, I find a certain creativity and spirit of adventure from the late 60s through the 70s that I haven't been so aware of in later years. That is not to say that it doesn't exist in later years, merely that it doesn't exist so much in my thoughts. And, yes, I like the sounds. I'm not generally so keen on mainstream 70s music despite there being many mainstream acts that I do enjoy from that time. Is Gary Numan's and the Tubeway Army's (at the tail end of the 70s) Replicas and the Alan Parsons Project considered mainstream? I guess Pink Floyd was no longer considered an underground band having had huge success. Oh, David Bowie rocked the 70s (and beyond, I would say). I'm going to echo others by saying the production values and the prominence of the kazoo. Thinking more, there's actually lots of mainstream music from the 70s that I know and like, but not nearly so much of the current scenes. I rather perceive that there was more variety back then of the time that would get played on the radio than the variety that we hear on ye typical radio station that plays modern music now. When I go to events, the choice of music today sounds more samey than I recall from when I was a kid in the 70s. I do perceive that there was more experimentation, innovation, genre-bending and fusion in mainstream music then than now. Still, now and then, a lot of music was of the cookie-cutter type, and was more industry, in a sense, than art. Edited by Logan - January 04 2018 at 00:18 |
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Mortte
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Posted: January 03 2018 at 23:38 | |||
Well, I think the most important think to me in this discussion has been, how the music has been recorded in certain times. I just like 50-70 music sounds so much more (even in the disco) than the sounds of today mostly. Even in the beginning of eighties there were better sounding albums. Also the nineties were better sounding time than most of the eighties and after nineties.
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Peter
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Posted: January 03 2018 at 22:09 | |||
I liked the sound it made.
I agree with Baldfriede: categorizing music via decades does not work. The arbitrary calender division is very artificial--as if musical trends start and stop every ten years. What you think of as that classic 70s sound is likely 67-76 or so. "80s" (I prefer the term New Wave) is really 77-86 (or so) etc. Ditto "50s" music: that sound overlaps into the early 60s. Finally, remember that 70s music was quite diverse (as in any decade since). Disco (yuck) was in there. So was punk. So were jazz, fusion, folk, fluffy radio pop, reggae, sucky country, prog, etc. So, when you say "70s music," I want to know: WHICH 70s music? Edited by Peter - January 03 2018 at 22:12 |
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Mortte
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Posted: January 02 2018 at 10:21 | |||
I donīt have anything against Funk, not even that p*rn one. And I rather listen seventies disco than todayīs electropophits.
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The.Crimson.King
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Posted: January 02 2018 at 10:10 | |||
Responding to some of your specific points: >>1. Labels were still as dirigist with pop bands as before (as opposed to prog or jazz artistes) and have >>been since 1. I wasn't referring to 70's "pop bands", but adventurous rock/prog music I liked. Pop will always be ruled by what a label believes will bring in the most $$$ >>2. you mean to tell me that the dummers and bassists were ignored in the 70's?? 2. Not what I meant at all. I was referring to the focus on rhythm to the virtual exclusion of harmony and melody that we've experienced since disco laid the groundwork for the later rap/hiphop explosion. This is also a point Steve Howe made in the Yes video released just after the Union tour about the difference between 70's and 80's Yes. Basically, he said that 70's Yes compositions focused on harmony where 80's Yes focused on rhythm. Oh, and I don't know of any drummers who like to be called "dummers", they're a little touchy that way >>3. Funk & disco ruled in the 70's. 3. Not the whole 70's. More like the late 70's and I'd hardly say disco "ruled". It sure became a competing genre to rock in terms of popularity, but there was still plenty of rock to be found on the airwaves I listened to and the concert halls I attended. >>5. bop music made that possible decades before the one we're speaking about 5. Regardless of when the trend started, it was still true in the 70's. >>9. the portion of FM radios having freedom was not nearly as big as the legend would have it. Max one or >>two per state or major city... And AM was not concerned 9. Don't know about "legend", only what I heard with my own ears in the 70's. In the SF bay area we had KOME, KSJO & KSAN not to mention the excellent college stations KFJC & KSJS who all sounded different enough to have their own flavor. Why? Because they gave freedom to the DJ sitting in the chair. By the time my wife got on the radio airwaves in the SF bay area in the 90's it was all about playlists and spinning what you were told. >>10. didn't need to wear one of them to be cool: just saying so was enough 10. If it was good enough for Geddy, it was good enough for me Edited by The.Crimson.King - January 02 2018 at 11:01 |
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Blacksword
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Posted: January 02 2018 at 09:31 | |||
Indeed, I was referring to mainstream music, but that includes the big prog bands and hard rock acts like Sabbath, Zep and Purple. They weren't 'unusual' or alternative acts, they were platinum selling, stadium filling artists. Not many acts tick tose boxes today with the possible exception of Radiohead and Muse, but they are indeed excpetions. I remember an interview with Frank Zappa, saying the music industry was better and more accpeting of experimental acts when it was run by middle aged businesmen who did know anything about music because they would be prepared to take a punt on anything. It started to fall apart when 'cool' young people started to pick who to sign and were reluctant to take risks on anything that didn't conform to a tried and tested formulas. |
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: January 02 2018 at 09:19 | |||
I largely agree with this although I think it only pertains to mainstream music. The difference being that the mainstream of the 70s was far more experimental than any other following decade. The amount of quality and experimentalism in music being produced is about the same methinks. Edited by Guldbamsen - January 02 2018 at 09:31 |
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Blacksword
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Posted: January 02 2018 at 09:16 | |||
The production and the spirit of experimentation instead of regurgitation that has plagued rock and pop music from the 80's to the present day.
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Mortte
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Posted: January 02 2018 at 05:29 | |||
And I think times were different even in the nineties than today. Radiohead (I donīt like the band) signed to EMI and was allowed to make itīs experimental records. But also many artists who have been in the major label, has gone to independent these days, because they think the major is not interested them at all. For example Nick Cave did that, Kate Bush has own label these days etc. Only one that I know who got contract from major label last years is Lee Ranaldo. He released an album last year, but at least here in Finland it got no promotion, no music magazines made an review about that or I didnīt hear one local radio station, that play a lot alternative music, play that at all. But yes, P J Harvey is still in the major label and got also attention. Sheīs the only exception. But still I donīt think everythings is already made, I am not expecting new Sgt. Pepper, but I think there are music makers that can touch me as the music has touched me.
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Sean Trane
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Posted: January 02 2018 at 04:26 | |||
Of course I heard NS or SOB. It's impossible nowadays to make a revolutioanry disc like Sgt Pepper, mostly because everything's been done in the actual state of music... But remember that this kind of studio time was allowed to The Beatles precisely because it was them... and they opened the door for everyone (well almost) But yeah I could see a label taking a chance on a totally different kind of experimental music;... If Bjork manages to release albums still nowadays (her latest is out of this world), than, it should be possible anything.
Yeah, jazz arrived to its experimental maturity in 59 (KOB, Time Out, Ornette etc.), but only really hit its stride around 63 (with Trane's ALS and Mingus' Black Saint). The mid-60's saw the arrival of electrity and electronics in music ... Not as a mean to record and fabricate the support, but inside the music itself....and it wasn't an immediate success: Dylan in folk and Miles in jazz were called traiors by purists. A whole new continent was discovered around 65/66 when electrcity/electronics entered the flod and within a decade, it was almost totally explored (well, they're still discovering a hidden valley here & there).... So obvipusly the main masterpieces or reference pieces came quickly, and since then (the 80's) a form of stagnation has been dominant. To find te same climatic conditions to create masterpieces such as in the 66/76 tipmeframe, you'd have to find something as big/revolutionary as the introduction of electronics in music.... And TBVeryH, I can't even imagine what that would be (maybe the introduction of infra-sounds and ultra-sounds??) |
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Mortte
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Posted: January 02 2018 at 04:12 | |||
I like older music too, but only Delta Blues has become some kind of passion to me. I donīt know, can I explain, but I think in 1965-1975 music has much more different colours than any other decades (or course there are lots of albums after that period that sounds same to me). I believe the main reason was recording technology. In older days there were no tracks, so everything have to record from the live take. In 1966 studio technology was so developed, that you can made many backing tracks and for example add Indian flute to the song if you wanted (I think first backing tracks were made already fifties, but musicians just donīt have time to make experiments in the studio that time). Even I like also live playing, to me the most interesting time began, when the bands live sound wasnīt the only thing you can record.
These days possibilities are endless, but like Catcher wrote, they are used very little. There are no more producers like George Martin in the major labels, that understand if some musicians are genius. I believe in the minor labels there are creative guys, but to me it seems theyīre mostly making electro music that I just donīt like. There have been few very great albums mixing electro and acoustic elements that I really love, but all of those seem to drown into this mass of music today.
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Posted: January 02 2018 at 02:33 | |||
I don't know why it should be considered wrong by default to claim that some eras produced better music than others. I think I there's plenty of good arguments for saying that in general 1940-1959 is a less vital, less interesting era in music than 1960-1979. There's partly natural explanations for it such as a world war - just like there is natural, business related explanations regarding why artists were willing, able and could actually make a living while trying out unconventional things during the latter era compared to the post 00's.
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