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What bothers you in Prog Music? ( Pet Peeves ) |
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HackettFan 
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 Topic: What bothers you in Prog Music? ( Pet Peeves )Posted: June 18 2018 at 22:40 |
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Oh, and I forgot. It ticks me off when Prog musicians deny being Prog musicians.
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A curse upon the heads of those who seek their fortunes in a lie. The truth is always waiting when there's nothing left to try. - Colin Henson, Jade Warrior (Now)
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HackettFan
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Posted: June 18 2018 at 22:23 |
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One pet peeve I have in Prog are songs, leads or vocals lacking movement.
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A curse upon the heads of those who seek their fortunes in a lie. The truth is always waiting when there's nothing left to try. - Colin Henson, Jade Warrior (Now)
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Bitterblogger
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Posted: June 18 2018 at 17:27 |
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Pet peeve? The disappearance of the fog machine.
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chopper
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Posted: June 12 2018 at 08:54 |
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My pet peeve is loud "clicky" bass drums, ones that are too trebly and too high in the mix.
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dr wu23
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Posted: June 08 2018 at 13:28 |
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^Thanks for the info.............
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Catcher10
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Posted: June 08 2018 at 13:14 |
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Steve Hoffman is a recording engineer, mastering engineer and audio buff. He has an excellent reputation as a mastering engineer, working on some excellent releases. He also sponsors one of the largest music and audio gear forums on the net. Pretty much anything you want to know about music, audio and music formats is there...... Cheers |
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Catcher10
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Posted: June 08 2018 at 13:08 |
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I have not the desire nor the time to respond to this thread anymore.....I have said my peace about the Beatles and how I feel about them.
And yes I am still cool and always will be, no forum will ever change me!! Be careful of the SHF, yes there are tons of Beatles threads there but they are very different. SHF are monitored very closely, most threads here would not last past a few posts. The horrid political thread here would have been removed at SHF for many reasons......But I respect both forums for what they stand for. Love your signature Steve........For every post, you owe me 1 penny as permission rights
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dr wu23
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Posted: June 08 2018 at 12:24 |
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^.....^...LOL...........
er...who is Steve Hoffman...? Edited by dr wu23 - June 08 2018 at 12:27 |
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SteveG
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Posted: June 08 2018 at 04:04 |
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^ A shame as they're two cool people.
Anyhow, perhaps we transfer this thread to the Steve Hoffman Music Forum where every other thread seems to be about the Beatles!
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Posted: June 08 2018 at 02:09 |
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Maybe we should rename this thread "The Official Beatles sh*t Fight 2018".
Edited by Mascodagama - June 08 2018 at 06:36 |
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The Dark Elf
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Posted: June 07 2018 at 21:28 |
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for someone who claimed, quote/unquote: "I don't LISTEN to the Beatles, never have. My parents never did, my wife never did," I am rather surprised by your sudden vast wellspring of Beatles knowledge that allows you to make inane pronouncements like, "In the general music scene the Beatles are not considered proto/early/sorta or pre-prog.....at best you can label them maybe pop-psychadelic after they spit out their bubblegum." Please, share with us your in-depth research regarding the "general music scene" and how they view the development of prog without the influence of The Beatles. I have already provided direct quotes from several important prog musicians who insist The Beatles were not just an influence, but a main impetus for them to create the music they did. But I will aid you further in sweeping the cobwebs from the rickety recesses of your stratified musical mind. Let's see, the "general music scene"...hmmm...how about Wikipedia? That's about as general as one can get. Oh, would you look at that, The Beatles are listed in Wiki as a Proto-prog band. And hey, they list a bibliography including a book by Doyle Green entitled, Rock, Counterculture and Avant Garde, 1966-1970: How The Beatles, Frank Zappa and The Velvet Underground Defined an Era, in which Green states the proto-prog label can be used for "the later Beatles, Frank Zappa, Pink Floyd, Soft Machine and the United States of America." Paul Hegerty and Martin Halliwell in their book Beyond and Before: Progressive Rock since the 1960s,identify The Beatles as one of the 1960s bands that should be viewed "not merely as precursors of prog but as essential developments of progressiveness in its early days." Not popular enough? How about popmatters.com, who had an article on March 6, 2013 titled "1967 and the Prog-Rock Progenitors" that features The Beatles prominently as a progenitor of prog. Not cosmopolitan enough? How about a New Yorker Magazine article from June 19, 2017 titled "The Persistence of Prog", where the author quotes, “If you don't like progressive rock, blame it on the Beatles.” Too liberal? How about the conservative National Review? An article from June 15, 2107 titled "Prog Rock: A Noble but Failed Experiment", makes the statement that "bands such as Peter Gabriel–era Genesis, Yes, King Crimson, Jethro Tull, and Emerson, Lake & Palmer led rock down a bizarre sonic detour first mapped out by the Beach Boys on Pet Sounds and the Beatles on Sgt. Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band." How about a non-musical take? Even the UrbanDictionary.com when defining "Prog" makes the bold statement "While arguable, the first Prog band is technically believed by Prog fans to be the Beatles." I won't go that far, but proto-prog works fine for me. I mean, really, it's rather embarrassing for you to persist when you are fighting a duel with a wet noodle.
Funny you should mention Parliament/Funkadelic, who were definitely progressive in the 1970s. George Clinton was influenced by Jimi Hendrix, Frank Zappa, James Brown, Sly Stone and...The Beatles. In fact, Clinton loved The Beatles. Here's an interview for you: Here is an excerpt: Clinton stated: "The Beatles' 'Yellow Submarine'; that always inspires me when I get to playin'. Sly's (Stone) stuff...Curtis Mayfield, all that. You know I worked at Motown. But when I want to get inspired, I always listen to the Beatles' sh*t. That'll always wake your ass up." George Clinton's love of the Beatles is well known, and he has stated in past interviews how it totally changed some of the ways he made and performed music. But by all means, keep floating your baseless opinions about the empty ether. I find it amusing to keep pointing out how little you truly know about the subject.
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jiminyCrikett
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Posted: June 07 2018 at 12:45 |
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If anyone is including Frank Bornemann or Peter Hammill in the list of bad singers then I have to tell you that you're missing out!
Complexity just to be complex is definitely my biggest pet peeve, songs need to build towards something and thats why Yes and Genesis are still kings here!
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Posted: June 07 2018 at 10:26 |
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What bothers me in Prog music? Hmmm... can't think of anything... oh I got something! Nad Sylvan's voice for instance.
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Posted: June 07 2018 at 10:17 |
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Nobody in their right mind would claim the Beatles were not proto-prog. And even if they weren't, they still belong up there with folks like Stravinsky and Schoenberg as far as musical influence in the 20th century goes.
Some people have trouble with the concept of taste. Edited by Larkstongue41 - June 07 2018 at 10:22 |
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Posted: June 07 2018 at 09:34 |
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OMG.......I have been on this site, registered since 2009, was a lurker for 2 yrs before that. I have read ALL the definitions of genres and know where to find the list of bands and have used that area since then to understand why a band is listed here. I use it to understand their attributes of why they are considered prog...
As they say, "talk to the hand!" Go tell it to someone new to this site or to the progressive rock genre. The very idea of how, why, who is listed on this site has been in debate since I first clicked on this site over 10yrs ago. If you are only going to take into consideration who the PA contributors chose to list on this site as a prog band, of any sub genre then yes, your mind is closed to only this site which is sad  .In the general music scene the Beatles are not considered proto/early/sorta or pre-prog.....at best you can label them maybe pop-psychadelic after they spit out their bubblegum. I am more than confident that my record collection and music collection in its entirety shows I have no fears of any music, I am not limited in my scope of simply what is listed here on PA or only listen to prog, that is non-sense. Madonna and Lady Gaga are prog, Parliament/Funkadelic are more prog than the Beatles ever were.....Wrap your closed mind around that....
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My "mind is closed to what is such a highly subjective premise"? "Bias"...are you serious? It's obvious you fail to see the irony of such an absurd statement. The Beatles were voted onto this site by a group of PA contributors; therefore, they can be discussed along with every other band specifically chosen by PA. Sorry if you cannot comprehend a fundamental tenet of the forum you are posting on. Evidently, you make your little posts but don't venture further on this site. Knowledge can be a scary thing. But since fear of the unknown seems to be holding you back, here is part of PA's definition of the sub-genre "Proto-prog": These bands normally were formed and released albums before Progressive Rock had completely developed (there are some rare Proto Prog bands from the early 70's, because the genre didn't expanded to all the Continents simultaneously). The common elements in all these bands is that they developed one or more elements of Prog, and even when not completely defined as part of the genre, they are without any doubt, an important stage in the evolution of Progressive Rock. So, the delineation between what is "prog" and what is "proto-prog" is fairly fluid. Giles, Giles and Fripp are considered "Proto-prog", but put the same musicians in King Crimson a year later and they're suddenly "Prog". Deep Purple, whose greatest successes came in the 70s are listed as "Proto-prog", whereas The Moody Blues albums from the 60s are considered "Prog". Basically, the "Proto-prog" definition includes nearly all bands who recorded the bulk of their albums before the Fall of 1969 B.C. (Before Crimson). I can't explain it any better, and I can't teach comprehension skills. Your mind is a closed book, and therefore more of a paper weight than a knowledge tool. |
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Posted: June 06 2018 at 15:48 |
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I've made several real prog bands recommendation on here and still has not been included. One being Ryan Yard's music. Both Symphonic and Crossover in style..
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Posted: June 06 2018 at 13:20 |
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Really?? So any band listed as proto-prog is prog?? How biased of a belief is that! Clearly shows again that your mind is closed to what is such a highly subjective premise. How many bands that are really prog are NOT listed on this site, but since the Beatles are listed on this site all other arguments are worthless. Again......thanks for that post, I laughed even harder.
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Posted: June 06 2018 at 04:26 |
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And in less time than it takes some bands to record one album.
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Posted: June 06 2018 at 04:13 |
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^ I agree that the Beatles were just above average musically when they started but don't you think it's amazing that they progressed from say "Love Me Do" to "Strawberry Fields Forever"?
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