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If 'golden era' means 'prog was a fashionable music', then more or less yes. But if 'golden era' means 'there were a lot of musically significant prog albums', then definitively no.
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Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

On the other hand, jazz-rock fusion definitely came on strong in the 1977 time period and thereafter.  It's "golden era" may have actually begun about 1976.  

Al Dimeola's sublime solo release "Land of the Midnight Sun" was released in late 1976, and this led to a string of very popular solo LPs and his prominence in the fusion community.  

Other bands/artists who flourished in this period include Brand X, Bill Bruford, Weather Report, Chick Corea, Stanley Clarke and many others. 

I often find that fusion is the "poor stepchild" when prog is being discussed!  

I personally think this is one of the reasons Prog went off the radar for a while. This was not the right direction for prog in my opinion. I did like Colosseum II but a lot of this stuff was just being churned out and for a 15 year old boy at the time (as I was) it held very little interest. Rush pointed the direction with 2112 and Iron Maiden ran with it. 
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On the other hand, jazz-rock fusion definitely came on strong in the 1977 time period and thereafter.  It's "golden era" may have actually begun about 1976.  

Al Dimeola's sublime solo release "Land of the Midnight Sun" was released in late 1976, and this led to a string of very popular solo LPs and his prominence in the fusion community.  

Other bands/artists who flourished in this period include Brand X, Bill Bruford, Weather Report, Chick Corea, Stanley Clarke and many others. 

I often find that fusion is the "poor stepchild" when prog is being discussed!  
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I think of the end of the golden age being the end of ‘74. If we look at the OP, counter to its thesis, the largest drop off is after ‘75. In the OP’s favor, there is a high proliferation of Canterbury bands and their output running up through ‘77. Gentle Giant, though I don’t care for them, were doing much the same post-75 as they were doing up to ‘75. Other examples abound, but I bid everyone good night for now.
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1978 was really a fall off from '77. Each released album by those of the Big Six that did so suffered by comparison.
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GFTO is from '77. Others perhaps less brilliant but no less enjoyable include Pompeii by Triumvirat and Criminal Record by Rick Wakeman.
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Yes, it was.
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

I mentioned Drama but not the others. I suppose "burning rope" was rather proggish and so was "dark ages" but not much else from those albums imo. Some people have actually suggested that ATTWT was sort of the first neo prog album. I suppose an argument could be made for that but I think Saga were probably a bit closer to proto neo if there is such a thing.
 

Starcastle before Saga, definitely. Saga's always been a pomp-rock band with progressive leanings. They're kind of schizo in that regard, in a good way. They were influenced as much by Styx and Manfred Mann's Earth Band as they were by Gentle Giant and Genesis. Those first five albums are classics.
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

I think its easy to cut across the argument by just compiling a list of the best prog bands of all time

Pink Floyd
Genesis
Yes
ELP
Jethro Tull
Camel
Gentle Giant
Rush
King Crimson
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I think less than 1% would agree 100% with you. But in terms of popularity rather than best I follow your logic ca. 70%. 
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I think its easy to cut across the argument by just compiling a list of the best prog bands of all time

Pink Floyd
Genesis
Yes
ELP
Jethro Tull
Camel
Gentle Giant
Rush
King Crimson
PFM

..ok you may want to put Marillion , Dream Theater (yes really) or Spock's Beard in there for balance sake but imo none of those bands are as important to the genre as good as they may be. The genre itself and this web site would not even exist but for those bands. 
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Yes.
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OK, what's the new turning point of this thread? Making a list of every progressive rock record released after 1977?
Wow, guys, you know how to maintain a discussion alive...
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Originally posted by Mortte Mortte wrote:

Really great prog albums from 1977, only a Farewell to Kings and Animals come into my mind. Wigwam´s Dark Album is of course also really good.
I forgot Songs From the Wood. Going For the One is really good of course, but not the greatest Yes albums like the The Yes Album & Fragile. It already had the feeling their greatest years were over. 
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Well, some might argue that the first UK album at least is genre defining and an argument could also be made for Moving Pictures(even though I forgot to mention it). 
I don't hear anything remotely new or genre defining in them. I have nothing against these albums but what have they got to offer that isn't already well established? A radio friendlier sound and shorter song length? That doesn't really qualify imo. 
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^all things considered I find more music to love from 1980-81 than 1977-79. I mean "regular prog" and jazz fusion was in sh*t shape all those years but RIO/Avant was peaking + Zeuhl & progressive electronic was still pretty great. I hate punk but dig new wave, post-punk and synth pop and there's seemingly no end to the early 80's gems you can discover from all over the world (much like prog in the 70's).

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Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

I believe 1977 was the year that Going For The One was released. So, yes.

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Songs from the Wood
Animals
Works Vol. 1
Seconds Out
Low
Car (Peter Gabriel's debut)
I Robot

Not to mention Cat Scratch Fever.
You forgot to mention the Saturday Night Fever OST (Bee Gees) which I'm sure was the coup de grace.

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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

I believe 1977 was the year that Going Gone For The One Count was released. So, yes.
 
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Originally posted by twosteves twosteves wrote:

think 77 was the beginning of the end---Dead

 
Mmmhhh!!!... I used to say that the great music era went for 67 until 77 with a core from 69 to 73.
 
Nowadays, I maintain the core years (69-73), but I can extend the spectrum from 59 to 79.
 
Sooo, I think that 78 & 79 hold some better albums than 77.
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