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AFlowerKingCrimson
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Hardly any newer prog on there at all(bands or albums).
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richardh
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I thought Relayer was going more to Jazz fusion which was partly why Wakeman left the band. Gates though is simply the best symph prog track ever (IMO).
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moshkito
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And their sub-conscious reasoning is that the music in that album is much more "rock" related (specially the title cut) than the earlier material which is more symphonic/classical in style. Italian bands, are (for the most part) quite classically inspired, and that album in particular ... is the group's big finger to all the folks that trashed TFTO ... and I like it for that very reason. Sadly the group never really recovered from that and ended up just going for the pop stuff in my book. RELAYER is the last YES album that I ever got!
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Rednight
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Can't get behind no ranking that has Relayer third from the end. Those nutty Italianos!
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moshkito
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It's a bizarre list with a group on the top that has less influence in their music, than classical or even things like Pink Floyd, which were far more "copied" in the 70's by many Italian bands, and then ELP ... however, if you listen to many Spanish and even some French bands in the 70's, take away things like ANGE, and you find (specially Spain) quite a bit of OUI (as Guy Guden used to call it!!!), in their music, and specially the bass whose work has some interesting moments that feels very Spanish (classical) to my ears, although I think this is very subtle and CS deserves the credit for doing what only Jaco Pastorius was capable of doing ... however, CS did this within a rock element, which was unusual at the time, but became better known after JACK BRUCE. That list, for my tastes, is put together by folks that are not as musically versed and knowledgeable as many of the folks here ... where, at least, you have some older folks that WERE THERE, and HEARD THE MUSIC, instead of simply needling a couple of songs, which the top 20 in that list is literally littered with, as it is the same band (again!!!!!) and other bands, obviously not listened to within the same context and capacity, for them (or you!) to be comfortable with posting your choices. While I do not wish to be thought of as a "stuck up old fart" of some sort, the idea of a music "top ten" list that is done simply as a commercial and personal likes and dislikes, is one of the worst things to afflict any arts in the past 75 years ... and specially so NOW, that something like the INTERNET makes some of those things seem right, because someone thought of it and I didn't. One lesson here, and it comes from the guy with the colored balls in England ... he could not compete with the Top Ten, and his stuff was not selling ... you know what he did? HE CREATED HIS OWN TOP TEN, and within months everything he had was selling ... only one problem in retrospect ... a lot of those bands, did not get their commissions as they should have ... and a lot of folks were very upset, and have died, ripped off. How would you like to be one of them ... just because a website wants to look more important and impressive than the others, including PA, that uses these forums as a place for everything, the kitchen sink, all the mice and ants ... and then wants to be a better representative of "progressive music" when they don't even want to "organize" and "improve" the amount of work and information they have. First on the agenda ... us telling (TELLING) the artist what they are ... like they care ... most of them just play their music as they see fit. And seeing that Italian moron tell Gentle Giant that this is that and that is this, to a group that kinda invented the terminology in the first place ... the whole thing is just sick, and I do not wish to ever do that. No artist will be the same each and every time, and we have to stop thinking that it is a requirement for them to be great ... their LIFETIME's worth of work is their measure for greatness ... not one album!
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Logan
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Welcome, but best in what way? What frameworks would you use to objectively determine "the best"? A problem is, when going down this route, even assuming that one knows and has the ability to appreciate everything and personal bias is minimised, there are many different approaches to determine what's best. Usually, it just comes down to an aggregate of favourites from what those people know rather than a more scientific approach to ranking, which is fine by me. Edited by Logan - February 16 2019 at 22:07 |
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Spacegod87
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Lol, what is it with Italians and their obsession with 'Van Der Graaf Generator??'
I mean, they're a great band but not the best...
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octopus-4
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It's because we understand the lyrics
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richardh
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Italy was certainly the place for prog in the seventies. I once saw a list of the top ten albums for a particular week that included Pawn Hearts at the top and the rest was pretty much all prog bands. In those days VDGG were massive in Italy (along with PFM of course!) but struggled to make any impact in the UK and America.
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twosteves
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Nice list---interesting seeing Traffic John Barleycorn so high up there---not a fan of VDGG can't get beyond the voice but figured they be popular in Italy. A little surprised Tales isn't on it ---but good list.
As an Italian American I always thought all of Europe was more open to all kinds of music than Americans --and it still is---which is why all the great prog comes from that side of the pond. Edited by twosteves - February 01 2019 at 07:28 |
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moshkito
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Almost the same for me. In general, I wish that these people had more respect for the music as an art, and not consider the same artist for two or three different albums, because it takes away space for something else that deserves to be there but is not considered ... as good. There is no such thing as good or bad, if it's all about our preferences, and all the more reason for many of these listings to list ARTISTS, not albums ... it's almost that the name of the artist is not important ... just the title of the album, and that is scary for me. I wish that there was a listing of some of the best names in the style ... so folks can get a better variation, than 3 examples by one band and 3 examples by another ... and such. Sometimes, honestly and cynically, I'm glad I will be dead and not have to think about this anymore ... it's depressing that so many get left behind because 10 to 12 spots are taken up again by the same band ... which ought to be a really good signal for us that the artistry by that band, deserves a better consideration than just an album that has become a favorite.
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jamesbaldwin
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Thanks to you, BF! I agree. Do americans love music or film in italian (or french, or deutsch)? How many italian records or italian films are listened or seen in USA? I know that for a film, when the italian director wants to reach success in the States, he change the beginning and the end, trying to adapt it to American storytelling. All those who have won the Oscar since "Mediterraneo" have done it.
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My fingers are tired so I guess I'll just echo the above^, which could've been written by me (on a good day) Though to be honest, I am missing quite a bit from the rest of the world - in particular Europe. No Amon Düül ll? Madness..
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Logan
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^ So was I. It's good to see Area getting love on the list (personally, Caution Radiation Area is my favourite Area album followed by Crac!) and one album by banco del Mutuo Soccorso. Definitely more Italian music would be on my top 50 (Picchio dal Pozzo would definitely be there for the self-titled, for instance). A lot of my collection is Italian, but most of it would not be on this site (lots of soundtrack and library music -- Ennio Morricone and Egisto Macchi, for instance, are da bomb).
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Manuel
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Me too. I thought it was an Italian music website.
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Lewian
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There are probably tendencies of this kind in many countries (even the UK except that there it doesn't apply to their music, rather to other aspects of their public life such as new runways for airports, football stadiums and managers etc.). For example, for a long time after WWII there were strong reservations in Germany against everything German including Kraut/prog of the seventies. More precisely it is probably a trait in some people to be more skeptical about the things that are closer and basically thrown at them since childhood, and they rather look further for their own exploration and discovery. Surely the US, Italy, Germany and the UK also have their good share of people whose horizon basically ends at the border of their own country, but that's not those who you find in progressive music forums - or rather nowhere near anything remotely progressive. |
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Thanks for sharing, Lorenzo! Great list. Maybe I'm more Italian than I knew! But then, I, too, would have several RPI albums in my Top 50--NOT, however, Zarathustra--with Palepoli, my least favorite "classic" of the 71-75 era.
I'd heard that Italians were far more positive/admiring with regards to foreigners' music--which explains why so many prog artists had early success touring Italy (Pink Floyd, Genesis). I'm trying to figure out if we Americans have the same psychology: The "British Invasion" to be sure--a phenomenon that continues to this day--yet I don't think our fascination with other musics crosses language barriers. In fact, it is probably the reverse that is true: our self-centeredness yet consumer shares have forced other bands to resort to singing in English in order to have any hope to make headway with our buyers. |
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richardh
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ELP with 2 albums ranked in the top twenty?? Can't be right surely |
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