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Spacegod87 
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 Topic: Eloy vs Porcupine TreePosted: December 29 2020 at 19:22 |
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I prefer P. Tree, which is funny because I usually prefer prog from before the 80s.
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Mellotron Storm
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Posted: December 29 2020 at 18:41 |
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Thankyou and I take it back. One of my earliest shocks I guess you could say when I discovered Prog was hearing "Ocean" for the first time and actually feeling embarrassed about the strong accent, it just seemed so lame. In time I also got used to them to the point I can put it on without it bothering me. Still prefer the early ones though. |
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"The wind is slowly tearing her apart"
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AFlowerKingCrimson
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Posted: December 25 2020 at 09:20 |
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I actually need to discover Eloy more. The vocals never bothered me too much on the albums I have heard(silent cries, ocean, p&p). I know most of PT but since I don't know both bands equally I won't vote. Btw, welcome back!
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Mellotron Storm
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Posted: December 25 2020 at 08:55 |
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PT but I love "Floating" and "Inside" by ELOY. Some of ELOY's vocals are terrible though but not on the early albums thankfully.
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"The wind is slowly tearing her apart"
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Logan
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Posted: December 23 2020 at 20:06 |
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It absolutely was not warranted. A ban was a very easy decision.
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Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me.
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Dellinger
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Posted: December 23 2020 at 20:01 |
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Well, that's good. Start off by insulting people. I didn't see any post warranting such a response from him.
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Logan
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Posted: December 23 2020 at 17:44 |
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He made a topic asking to have his account deleted soon after his first comment here, but we don't tend to delete accounts (can cause issues), and instead I suspended his account permanently and banned him. So yeah, he didn't last long at all or try to last. I could understand him being upset by certain remarks made after his first post (of course his first post was likely to be ridiculed), but since David (Guldbamsen) had been quite diplomatic (tongue smiley aside - lol) and explanatory, I felt his attitude was particularly deplorable. He didn't wish to remain a member of this site and this site in turn benefits from his absence. As for the topic question: I prefer Eloy. I especially like the albums Inside and Floating. I quite like mid-90's PT, and quite enjoyed Deadwing, but never really got into the band. Edited by Logan - December 23 2020 at 17:46 |
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Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me.
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Nogbad_The_Bad
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Posted: December 23 2020 at 10:38 |
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Yes there are!   I like both bands but prefer PT so they get the vote.
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Posted: December 23 2020 at 10:17 |
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Both are among my favorite bands ever.
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Lewian
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Posted: December 22 2020 at 18:30 |
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When it comes to being unlistenable, Ra is quite the car crash indeed in my view. And I have given it a few chances (admittedly I survived them all
 ). I can't find strong songwriting there either, let's say there are two tracks that I could have liked with a good production and arrangement, but even them I wouldn't have found them really strong. Eloy without Matze is just a no go.Edited by Lewian - December 22 2020 at 18:30 |
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nick_h_nz
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Posted: December 22 2020 at 15:47 |
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It really doesn’t mean that at all. Eloy is more my bag, but I can recognise that their discography is not as consistent. If unlistenable is where you set your bar, then that’s up to you. Mine is higher. There’s no Eloy or PT album that is unlistenable for me. There are albums from both bands that don’t do a lot for me, and that I don’t exactly dislike, but nor do I greatly like. But overall, PT has less up and down, and therefore more consistency. I’ve not bothered to check, but it wouldn’t surprise me to see the ratings for PT are more consistent across the board than for Eloy. Edited by nick_h_nz - December 22 2020 at 15:48 |
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Posted: December 22 2020 at 13:15 |
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I have a couple Eloy albums............I have almost all of Porcupine Tree albums.
The Tree for me
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Posted: December 22 2020 at 13:08 |
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I'm afraid that with such attitude, he shouldn't even get a chance to complete his 40 posts and be banned right away. He's arleady directly insulting anyone he get's to post with, I believe that must be against the rules. |
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moshkito
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Posted: December 19 2020 at 22:15 |
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Hi, I was thinking that PT is likely to be more appreciated, as it has a more "modern" sound that is easier on the ears of many listeners, on account of their "conditioning" to a lot of music and its effects from the sound and its quality. This was not the case when ELOY came out in the 1970's, and their individuality, to my ears, was only duplicated by JANE similarly, although it is easier to say that ELOY was more meaningful in their work than not, with concept albums that actually said something ... and I doubt that PT can, or should, be considered a concept band ... it's mostly over rated and accentuated songs. With heavy on the "accent" and the "loudness", not necessarily the contents!
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Posted: December 19 2020 at 17:15 |
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Porcupine Tree, though I really do love Eloy too.
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Posted: December 19 2020 at 14:16 |
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Ra actually has great songs, just the way they were presented was not the best, but I am glad to look past that. I think that Destinations was their weakest album up to the last few years, more irrelevant than unlistenable though.
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Posted: December 19 2020 at 09:40 |
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That just means PT is more your bag, not necessarily that they're the more "consistent" band. Eloy is consistently good, IMHO. As it's been pointed out, PT's got stuff that sounds average at best, and nothing I rate on par with Eloy's magical 1977-82 period. Eloy really doesn't have an album I find unlistenable, and that includes the much-mailgned Ra.
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Posted: December 19 2020 at 08:29 |
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Hi,
I have been with ELOY since the very first album on HIPGNOSIS. And while I did not like it as much until "Floating" and then "Power and the Passion" ... for over 20 years, ELOY was far out and very enjoyable and a staple on Guy's radio show always playing the latest. I never really "got" into PT until 1999, and I did go after a few CD's, but as much as it was very nice, it did not have the "difference" that the German scene, with ELOY had ... PT was not "original" ... but was doing stuff that was very much like the feeling in the olden days ... only for it to be gone as soon as they became "famous" ... !!! ELOY has almost 50 years in its history, and some outstanding albums ... PT only lived for about 20 plus years before fame distorted them to "trivial" or as SW used to say, he wanted to do something "heavier". The Germans were already "heavy", right from the start!
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suitkees
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Posted: December 19 2020 at 05:53 |
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Good heavens, that's been a narrow escape for both of us, then. Strange that our first impressions were so way off... But, what did you actually want to vote for? BTW, only 35 points yet to go...
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Cristi
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Posted: December 19 2020 at 05:25 |
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Based on your user name, one would think you love and want to discuss music here. Excuse us for being wrong.
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