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Bt-Tor
Forum Senior Member Joined: November 13 2005 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 162 |
Topic: Van Der Graaf Generator Posted: November 17 2005 at 23:11 |
Biggles Said:
I've always believed that music comes first and foremost, and good lyricism is just a bonus. Because, quite honestly, if poetry's what I want, T.S. Eliot could do it 500 times better than ANY singer or musician you can name. Lyricism is about fitting lyrics to music, not the other way around. ----------------------------------------- Yup, totally agree with you here. I think ideally if you've got great lyrics to go with great music, you have achieved perfection(of sorts) in music. Afterall, when discussing MUSIC we are talking about MUSIC right? Poetry is an artform of it's own, as is music. Poetry's depends on words primariliy. Sure, there is metre and rhythm involved but there is no poetry without words. Music depends on sounds/notes. Words can be sung in a musical way, but the voice can be used as an instrument to convey beautiful music without the specific meaning behind words. Music is more emotive and visceral, where lyrics tend towards meaning. When you attach the powerful raw emotionally power of music with the meaning in lyrics and poetry, you have achieved greatness in a hybrid of music and lyricism/poetry. Sorry about that digression.... Pawn Hearts is an amazing album. A Plague of Lighthouse Keepers is a classic Prog Rock epic. I'd recommend Gobluff as a followup, a really solid album though not as strung out as PH! |
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Bj-1
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: June 04 2005 Location: No(r)Way Status: Offline Points: 31157 |
Posted: November 10 2005 at 08:24 |
^ I guess only sick-minded people should start with Pawn Hearts then (I started with PW, btw) |
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RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on!
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Zargus
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 08 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 3491 |
Posted: November 10 2005 at 07:28 |
the least we can do is wave to each other, is the allbum you shuld buy if your a newbie, its the easiest to get into have 2 great ballads and the rest is yust fantastic... It gets stranger on H to he... and pawn hearts is yust a total mind f**king freak out! but ofcourse pawn heart is the best its the epic and the one you will never get tierd of once you get into, but very hard to get into for soem people it seems i hadent very big problem becaus i started with the least... then H to he... and then pawn heart so i was prepered to get mind f**ked, to start with Pawn heart whuld heave been Total ANNIHILATION!! start with the first that is the way to go with Van der graaf... Great band one of my favorites, if not favorite.
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Genesisprog
Forum Senior Member Joined: October 14 2005 Location: Estonia Status: Offline Points: 188 |
Posted: November 09 2005 at 15:45 |
Everybody says VDGG is supergroup ,great band. I listened them.Some songs from best album.I don`t like their music.
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Frank Zappa,Pink Floyd,Yes,Genesis,Rush,King Crimson,Jethro Tull,E.L.P,Rick Wakeman -They have one similarity- I Love Them all !
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Malaquias
Forum Newbie Joined: November 03 2005 Location: Brazil Status: Offline Points: 1 |
Posted: November 09 2005 at 15:24 |
van der graaf is the best band ever.
I love The Aerosl Gray Machine too. its how everything started |
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Biggles
Forum Senior Member Joined: June 18 2005 Status: Offline Points: 705 |
Posted: November 09 2005 at 14:52 |
I've got "Godbluff" and "Still Life." "Godbluff" is great, but "Still Life" is... well, not so great. A few good moments, but it's way too lyric-focused and they end up having to force the music to fit the lyrics, however awkward and tasteless it might come out. I've always believed that music comes first and foremost, and good lyricism is just a bonus. Because, quite honestly, if poetry's what I want, T.S. Eliot could do it 500 times better than ANY singer or musician you can name. Lyricism is about fitting lyrics to music, not the other way around. Hammill's voice gets pretty unpleasant in "Still Life" as well. Really harsh and raucous. |
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sleeper
Prog Reviewer Joined: October 09 2005 Location: Entropia Status: Offline Points: 16449 |
Posted: November 09 2005 at 11:07 |
I think weve all had ebough VDGG on this site for the moment
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Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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wombat
Forum Newbie Joined: November 09 2005 Location: Antarctica Status: Offline Points: 29 |
Posted: November 09 2005 at 08:48 |
my favorite is: the least we can do is wave to each other h to he who am the only one pawn hearts godbluff still life evertything is great |
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Bj-1
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: June 04 2005 Location: No(r)Way Status: Offline Points: 31157 |
Posted: November 09 2005 at 08:45 |
My favorite VDGG is Pawn Hearts |
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RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on!
EXERIOR Experimental tech/death/progmetal from Norway! |
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wombat
Forum Newbie Joined: November 09 2005 Location: Antarctica Status: Offline Points: 29 |
Posted: November 09 2005 at 08:42 |
yes vdgg is KILLER |
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Bj-1
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: June 04 2005 Location: No(r)Way Status: Offline Points: 31157 |
Posted: November 09 2005 at 08:41 |
Love that line
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RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on!
EXERIOR Experimental tech/death/progmetal from Norway! |
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wombat
Forum Newbie Joined: November 09 2005 Location: Antarctica Status: Offline Points: 29 |
Posted: November 09 2005 at 08:38 |
...Total ANNIHILATION!! - VDGG |
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Bj-1
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: June 04 2005 Location: No(r)Way Status: Offline Points: 31157 |
Posted: November 09 2005 at 08:37 |
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RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on!
EXERIOR Experimental tech/death/progmetal from Norway! |
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wombat
Forum Newbie Joined: November 09 2005 Location: Antarctica Status: Offline Points: 29 |
Posted: November 09 2005 at 08:22 |
VAN DER GRAAF GENERATOR
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gdub411
Forum Senior Member Joined: August 24 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3484 |
Posted: October 21 2004 at 13:49 |
Rhyme or reason?...no Hammill never influenced anyone important:Peter Gabriel,Fish,David Bowie,Johnny Rotten... Well I am not fond of Yes or Rush so okay...you're allowed not to like them....I guess
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threefates
Forum Senior Member Joined: June 30 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 4215 |
Posted: October 21 2004 at 13:34 |
Sorry Greg... but they just don't have any rhyme or reason.... The voice is killer tho... regardless of the album. And Sigod, I've listened enough to know that I don't want to hear it again.... Sorry!
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THIS IS ELP
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gdub411
Forum Senior Member Joined: August 24 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3484 |
Posted: October 21 2004 at 13:24 |
Threefates and Reed Lover....I am going to have to disown you now. They're my favorite |
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sigod
Forum Senior Member Joined: September 17 2004 Location: London Status: Offline Points: 2779 |
Posted: October 21 2004 at 11:47 |
It took me nearly eighteen months and a lot of casual plays of Pawn Hearts before I finally 'got it' with VdGG. A hard band to like but even harder to put down after you find your way in. |
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I must remind the right honourable gentleman that a monologue is not a decision.
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Reed Lover
Forum Senior Member Joined: July 16 2004 Location: Sao Tome and Pr Status: Offline Points: 5187 |
Posted: October 21 2004 at 09:58 |
Cheers Biaankaaaa! Thought I was on my own when it came to thinking VDGG were a major |
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threefates
Forum Senior Member Joined: June 30 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 4215 |
Posted: October 21 2004 at 09:49 |
Actually I'm with Petra, I could never get into VDGG either. The voice was just a big turn off... and sometimes the keyboards just sounded like they were in the wrong songs...
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THIS IS ELP
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