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Gaston 
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Posted: March 22 2006 at 17:36 |
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Most call and response arrangements are like that. In terms of improv,
yeah it's impressive, but it's also more a communication you have with
another person in your band or the band itself that makes it so
spectacular. In my band we have a formal communication that is not
unlike ESP, I kid you not. You'll find as you get better and better and
tighter and tighter with your bandmates you begin to feel them, I mean
not that way but get inside their heads.
But mostly from what I've seen, it's derived from call and response Jazz.
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Posted: March 22 2006 at 17:32 |
Led Zeppelin and Deep Purple are great. Listen to How the West was Won and Made in Japan to see what I'm talking about.
And then there's King Crimson. Sometimes I wonder if those guys are telepathic when I listen to there live improvs. Absolsutley amazing.
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Posted: March 22 2006 at 13:44 |
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Any Allman Brothers Band and Gov't Mule jam is pretty good communication too. There is a moment where Bernie Worrell goes into Frere Jacques and the rest of the band follow on, but with great subtlety and manage to keep the main tune going as well.
When VdGG were on fire, they were on fire..., especially Jaxon's sax, I've heard some excellent live stuff and there's more improvisation involved than you'd normally thing from them.
This is why I really love their early tracks from Aerosol Grey Machine, it gave the band a chance to explore things musically and to freak out a bit!
The best example of this is, of course, is "Squid 1/Squid 2/Octopus". There is also the great Octopus/Theme One/Octopus medley live version I have heard, that has to have great communication too. This same concert has a version of Aquarian on as well and this has also changed, compared to the original.
You'll find most later tracks, keep to the original version, it's only these earlier tracks where they seem to improvise more.
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Posted: March 22 2006 at 13:16 |
Pardon me while I step over the drool on the floor in here! 
I've always been amazed at the drum communication/interplay between Phil Collins and Chester Thompson on various songs from Seconds Out and Three Sides Live. The standout is the medley of "In the Cage" where they work in perfect synchronicity like one drummer with 4 arms and 4 legs.
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Posted: March 22 2006 at 12:56 |
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Posted: March 22 2006 at 12:51 |
I can't help it...after looking at your picture I got this fixed idea of having a "perfect moment of communication" with you.
Sorry about that. hehehehehe
Ok some moments of perfect communicaction in music that i took from the top of my head... (defining a perfect moment as something that happens "live", because in studio it is easy to sinchronize things)
1) An incredible amount of them in Gentle Giant's playing the fool, between all of the palyers arguably the best live album ever...
2) Some bettewn Mick Box and Ken Hensley in "Gipsy" one of the tracks of the superb Uriah heep album
3) Several of them between Bernard Paganotti and Chrisdtian Vander in almost every live Magma track ( but that's what we expect from them right?)
4) Incredible intuitive communication between both Pentangle guitar players: Bert Jansch and John Renbourne (that's folk rock for you!)
5) and.. this one is not live but what's a rule for but to be broken..? Patrick Moraz and Bruford and Squire inverted arrangement on Lucky Seven in Squire's "fish out of water"*
As I said those are from the top of my head and I included prog or folk prog only...
See ya!
(*) The keyboards are the bass, The bass carries the melody.
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Posted: March 22 2006 at 12:38 |
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Posted: March 22 2006 at 11:48 |
 Jmoog wrote:
Numerous examples of "perfect communication" would be the improvisations that the 1972-74 era King Crimson would perform nightly as part of their shows. The best recorded example of these is "The Great Deceiver" 4 disc box set. Fripp, Cross, Wetton, and Bruford entered into some deep telepathic communication with each other during these improv's.
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I think Jmoog is correct, any band that practices and perfects the art of improvisational jamming would occassionally achieve what USAGirl is alluding to.
In addition to early Crimson check out live Grateful Dead and Phish.
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Posted: March 22 2006 at 11:39 |
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The part on "After the Ordeal" where the guitar comes in.
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Posted: March 22 2006 at 10:53 |
Numerous examples of "perfect communication" would be the improvisations that the 1972-74 era King Crimson would perform nightly as part of their shows. The best recorded example of these is "The Great Deceiver" 4 disc box set. Fripp, Cross, Wetton, and Bruford entered into some deep telepathic communication with each other during these improv's.
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Posted: March 22 2006 at 10:47 |
erik neuteboom wrote:
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Anyway, I have always loved the hot interaction between Jon Lord and Ritchie Blackmore on stage, two opposite characters, what a chemistry! ..................
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That's exactly my first thought after I read initial post of this thread. Also duelling between Gillan's voice and Ritchie's guitar on one of their live albums is just amazing.
There was also another duel between these two, when Blackmore was throwing beer glass onto Gillan, but this incident is more about "perfect miscommunication".
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Posted: March 22 2006 at 10:44 |
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All of the Godspeed you! black emperor songs live are made by
comunication. (they say its by signs and such) One can easily be lost
in the middle of the song so they need to have a good comunication;
plus cosidering they are 9 people in one stage is even more harder.
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Posted: March 22 2006 at 10:34 |
Everytime I watch video footage of Led Zeppelin, the interplay between
John Paul Jones and John Bonham seems like a mysterious kind of magic
to me. 
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Posted: March 22 2006 at 09:00 |
USAGirl wrote:
Majestic_Mayhem wrote:
Lindsay Lohan wrote:
The mars volta-scabdates is a study in great live improvisation!  |
I have that album. Not my cup of tea.
As for perfect communication, i think almost all progressive bands
has to have that perfect communication. most of progressive songs have
odd time signatures and unisons. (esp. progressive metal and
technical stuffs). Its such an amazing thing that musicians can
understand each other by a mere eye contact....
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Well,
yes, but that's not what I meant when talking about communication. That
is more like the communication in a theatrical play, where the players
of course have to interact with each other, but it is rehearsed. But
suppose during such a theatrical play an actor reacts to the cry of a
baby from the audience (which for some reason was taken along by her
mother) and makes a remark about it, which is then answered by a remark
from another of the actors. This is the kind of communication I meant.
Spontaneous, not rehearsed. That moment of communication between
Malherbe and Hillage was definitely not rehearsed.
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Maybe the part in Strange King of Woman from Made in Japan where
Blackmore plays a melody on his guitar, and Gillan repeats it with his
voice. This goes on for quite some time and sounds pretty great.
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Posted: March 22 2006 at 07:18 |
USAGirl wrote:
Majestic_Mayhem wrote:
Lindsay Lohan wrote:
The mars volta-scabdates is a study in great live improvisation! |
I have that album. Not my cup of tea.
As for perfect communication, i think almost all progressive bands has to have that perfect communication. most of progressive songs have odd time signatures and unisons. (esp. progressive metal and technical stuffs). Its such an amazing thing that musicians can understand each other by a mere eye contact....
...and that is the beauty of our music.
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Well, yes, but that's not what I meant when talking about communication. That is more like the communication in a theatrical play, where the players of course have to interact with each other, but it is rehearsed. But suppose during such a theatrical play an actor reacts to the cry of a baby from the audience (which for some reason was taken along by her mother) and makes a remark about it, which is then answered by a remark from another of the actors. This is the kind of communication I meant. Spontaneous, not rehearsed. That moment of communication between Malherbe and Hillage was definitely not rehearsed.
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got your point...
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Posted: March 22 2006 at 07:00 |
Majestic_Mayhem wrote:
Lindsay Lohan wrote:
The mars volta-scabdates is a study in great live improvisation! |
I have that album. Not my cup of tea.
As for perfect communication, i think almost all progressive bands has to have that perfect communication. most of progressive songs have odd time signatures and unisons. (esp. progressive metal and technical stuffs). Its such an amazing thing that musicians can understand each other by a mere eye contact....
...and that is the beauty of our music. |
Well, yes, but that's not what I meant when talking about communication. That is more like the communication in a theatrical play, where the players of course have to interact with each other, but it is rehearsed. But suppose during such a theatrical play an actor reacts to the cry of a baby from the audience (which for some reason was taken along by her mother) and makes a remark about it, which is then answered by a remark from another of the actors. This is the kind of communication I meant. Spontaneous, not rehearsed. That moment of communication between Malherbe and Hillage was definitely not rehearsed.
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Posted: March 22 2006 at 06:49 |
erik neuteboom wrote:
Concerning Erlenst his reaction: "every picture tells a story so" perhaps subconcious communication by the very seducing looking USA girl on the attached picture?
Anyway, I have always loved the hot interaction between Jon Lord and Ritchie Blackmore on stage, two opposite characters, what a chemistry! And the dynamic interplay between Neil Peart, Alex Lifeson and Geddy Lee on stage, so enthousiastic, adventurous and powerful!
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Right on!
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Posted: March 22 2006 at 06:44 |
Concerning Erlenst his reaction: "every picture tells a story so" perhaps subconcious communication by the very seducing looking USA girl on the attached picture?
Anyway, I have always loved the hot interaction between Jon Lord and Ritchie Blackmore on stage, two opposite characters, what a chemistry! And the dynamic interplay between Neil Peart, Alex Lifeson and Geddy Lee on stage, so enthousiastic, adventurous and powerful!
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Posted: March 22 2006 at 06:19 |
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Posted: March 22 2006 at 06:17 |
Lindsay Lohan wrote:
The mars volta-scabdates is a study in great live improvisation! |
I have that album. Not my cup of tea.
As for perfect communication, i think almost all progressive bands has to have that perfect communication. most of progressive songs have odd time signatures and unisons. (esp. progressive metal and technical stuffs). Its such an amazing thing that musicians can understand each other by a mere eye contact....
...and that is the beauty of our music.
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