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RaphaelT 
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 Topic: American Idiot ahead of Lamb??
Posted: April 21 2006 at 14:18 |
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They claim it is a story of refugee from behind the iron curtain - and they do not include Stationary Traveller by Camel, which is more widely known - perhaps they wanted to honour Hackett for bringing back old Genesis.
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Gog/Magog
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Posted: April 21 2006 at 13:43 |
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Steve Hacketts Defector is a concept album?????????????????/
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: April 20 2006 at 00:39 |
Hey guys, what do you expect from a magazine that includes Kilroy Was Here (With the infamous Mister Robotto) in the top 50??????
This album is embarrasing even for STYX.
They ignore Quadrophenia and 666
They include Too Old to Rock & Roll To Young to Die, but ignores Thick as a Brick?
Iván
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video vertigo
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Posted: April 20 2006 at 00:17 |
 Dragon Phoenix wrote:
All those belittling American Idiot... have you actually listened to the album? Really listened?
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Yes I have, I enjoyed it much better than many albums that have come out recently it may even deserve a spot on the top 50 concept albums/rock operas because of the influence it has and hopefully making concept albums more mainstream. However, it is not #3 and doesn't deserve to be ahead of many prog concept albums IMO.
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"The rock and roll business is pretty absurd, but the world of serious music is much worse." - Zappa
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The Wizard
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Posted: April 19 2006 at 21:51 |
White Queen wrote:
Too Old to Rock'nRoll is there, but not Thick as a Brick, A Passion Play, or Aqualung?
I must say that I am impressed that bands like Gong, Camel, and Gentle Giant are on the list.
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That's what bothered me the most.
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Hemispheres
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Posted: April 19 2006 at 21:32 |
I bet you in 3 years it probbably wont be on that list atleast not in the top 10 i dont see it having that much extreme staying power but hey maybe it could open the door for a new official genre prog punk 
the weirdest thing happened today my dad whos a fairly big prog fan admitted to liking Green Day but i told him the buzzcocks were bassically doing the same thing in the 70s
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stan the man
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Posted: April 19 2006 at 19:07 |
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WOW greenday. I would have to say the best concept album imo is Quadraphenia.
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true as a lobster in a pteredaktyl's underpants. 
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FragileDT
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Posted: April 19 2006 at 18:19 |
reality wrote:
Can you even compare the two different styles, two
different genres, two different intentions of music with each other. American
Idiot is a well thought out finely crafted punk pop album from 2005 which
got great reveiws from some pretty inteligent people with no mainstream
agenda. The lamb lies down on broadway is a well thought out finely crafted
progressive rock (Term for the movement) album from the seventys that got
some great and poor reviews from some pretty inteligent people with no
mainstream agenda. You can only compare how well they are recieved within
their own respective genre to their contemporaries. Anyway when did Poland
become a mecca for rock criticism? No, that is a real question? |
I agree.
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One likes to believe
In the freedom of music
But glittering prizes
And endless Compromises
Shatter the illusion
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reality
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Posted: April 19 2006 at 00:48 |
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Can you even compare the two different styles, two different genres, two different intentions of music with each other. American Idiot is a well thought out finely crafted punk pop album from 2005 which got great reveiws from some pretty inteligent people with no mainstream agenda. The lamb lies down on broadway is a well thought out finely crafted progressive rock (Term for the movement) album from the seventys that got some great and poor reviews from some pretty inteligent people with no mainstream agenda. You can only compare how well they are recieved within their own respective genre to their contemporaries. Anyway when did Poland become a mecca for rock criticism? No, that is a real question?
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RaphaelT
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Posted: April 14 2006 at 03:54 |
Yes, The Residents presence proves that these journalists wanted to expose their wide taste... But Green Day third??
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Zac M
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Posted: April 13 2006 at 19:30 |
The funniest thing is that Stynx's Kilroy is Here actually made the list  .
Bravo that the Residents made the list though! (although I really could care less about lists...)
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"Art is not imitation, nor is it something manufactured according to the wishes of instinct or good taste. It is a process of expression."
-Merleau-Ponty
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goose
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Posted: April 13 2006 at 19:09 |
Ghandi 2 wrote:
I didn't even know American Idiot was a concept album... |
And you expect us to believe you've listened to it enough to form a considered opinion? 
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ProgBoy
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Posted: April 13 2006 at 18:18 |
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I myself am unswayed by the list, and the only thing that really bugged
me was that Tales from Topographic Oceans, Dark Side of the Moon, Thick
as a Brick and Be weren't there, though I am rather pleased that Olias
of Sunhillow was included.
Was this list one album per artist or something?
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 Mum to Mud to Mad to Dad to Dam to Dum to Mum
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Hemispheres
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Posted: April 13 2006 at 16:02 |
FragileDT wrote:
I don't think it's good that Green Day's "American Idiot" is 3rd (it's just
absolutely ridicules.) BUT I do want to say that I think it's ridicules that
everyone ridicules Green Day for writing a concept album. They have 2 9
minute songs on it so i hear, what's the big deal? They are at least opening
the minds of a lot of closed minded music fans and letting them know that a
concept album can exist and songs longer than 3 minutes with different
movements can exist as well. I think what Green Day is doing is much better
for the mainstream than releasing another "Dookie."
Why are we so against it? Just doesn't make sense to me. |
I agree this could open the minds of some conformist punk kids but i doubt it.
And does it actually bother you that much does it really even matter
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RaphaelT
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Posted: April 13 2006 at 16:00 |
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actually the staff of the magazine consists of polish stars of rock journalism
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Peace Frog
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Posted: April 13 2006 at 15:56 |
It's just a stupid magazine put together by some monkey-brained writers- does it really matter what their list says? Although, I must say I don't agree with Green Day at #3 at all. Quite ridiculous.
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Posted: April 13 2006 at 15:45 |
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And you expected... what? It sounds like you people are complaining for the sake of complaining. Sure, The Lamb is better than American Idiot but this is the way the press is and we've known that for years, so don't pretend to be angry. (And besides, at least they mentioned bands like Gentle Giant, Peter Hammill, and Gong at all)
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Your life or your lupins!!!
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Ghandi 2
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Posted: April 13 2006 at 15:38 |
Dragon Phoenix wrote:
All those belittling American Idiot... have you actually listened to the album? Really listened? |
Now why the hell would I want to do that? I despise punk with every fiber of my being. I have heard parts of it, and it sounds the same as every other Greenday album: 4 or 6 power chords repeated over and over again with "rebellious" lyrics. Woah, you're anti-American--it takes true courage to restate what everyone else in the music industry already thinks. The same thing applies to The Rolling Stones; they've managed to appear rebellious all the time, when in fact they're always just going with the flow of the rest of Hollywood. Wow, an album about sex (Sticky Fingers) in the '70s--now that's original.
I didn't even know American Idiot was a concept album...
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Dr. Diper
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Posted: April 13 2006 at 15:32 |
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Green Day sucks.
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My avatar is the vocalist of glam rock/brit pop band Suede (aka the London Suede in USA). They were once good before the guitarist left the band. Albums to hear: self titled debut and 'Dog Man Star.'
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RaphaelT
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Posted: April 13 2006 at 15:16 |
listening to epics makes you patient 
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