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Dirk 
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Posted: July 21 2006 at 13:16 |
 chamberry wrote:
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It's my personal opinion so forgive me... but 'Rockpommel's Land' is better than 'Close to the Edge'.. hehehe... now many of you will try cut off my head... hehe
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You'd be surprised how many people don't find Close to the edge that much of a masterpiece.
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I think the title track of CTTE is a masterpiece,i think somewhat less of the others especially Siberian Kathru (Tja,tja do da do da may be very progressive vocals but i find them annoying just the same, the bass riff in this tune is stunning though). I often listen only to the CTTE title track alone concluding i also think i enjoy Rock pommel's land somewhat more overall then CTTE overall.
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Posted: July 21 2006 at 12:14 |
Grobsch wrote:
It's my personal opinion so forgive me... but 'Rockpommel's Land' is better than 'Close to the Edge'.. hehehe... now many of you will try cut off my head... hehe
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You'd be surprised how many people don't find Close to the edge that much of a masterpiece.
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Posted: July 21 2006 at 10:40 |
Grobsch wrote:
BTW, it's my personal opinion so forgive me... but 'Rockpommel's Land' is better than 'Close to the Edge'.. hehehe... now many of you will try cut off my head... hehe
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Posted: July 21 2006 at 09:19 |
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Yes, I agree Rockpommel's Land was an Eroc moment of weekness, perhaps influenced by some producer's idea, and he painted some Yes colors to Grobschnitt... but in a way Eroc helped the band to create a masterpiece of symphonic progressive, by mixing some others influences to the Yes like subject the band created a fantastic album... about Jumbo... I could not find those influences... my listening is not so good at this point.. hehe
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BTW, it's my personal opinion so forgive me... but 'Rockpommel's Land' is better than 'Close to the Edge'.. hehehe... now many of you will try cut off my head... hehe
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Hey Sean, tell Eroc I'm his fan..
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MattiR
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Posted: July 21 2006 at 09:17 |
Sean Trane wrote:
...Rockpommel Land because there Grobschnitt is simply too derivative of Yes and Genesis |
It's true.
Grobsch wrote:
I cannot find any Genesis influences on PFM...
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I think "L'Isola Di Niente" reveals some influences of Genesis.
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Sean Trane
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Posted: July 21 2006 at 09:12 |
Grobsch wrote:
Jumbo?? I think Jumbo is the most Kraut...
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I cannot find those kind of influences people mention a lot...
For example, I cannot find any Genesis influences on Grobschnitt or PFM... ELP influences on Banco del Mutuo Soccorso... even Rockpommel's Land has just some Yes like moments during its 45 minutes... Rockpommel's has symphonic influences, but also some kraut/comic/psichedelic moments...
It's more easy find Pink Floyd influences on Grobschnitt than another english band... also they were influenced by Hendrix, Zappa and psichedelic bands...
The german bands Grobschnitt, Eloy, Néktar, Mythos, Wallenstein, Pell Mell and more have few english influences and more Kraut influences... only Jane is Pink Floyd like... but it's my opinion...
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recently had a conversation with Eroc which in sorts agree that Jumbo and RL were derivative
RL wears its Yes influences all the way down to the fake Roger Dean artwork.
And the debut album has some Santana influences >>> not least because of the double drumming attack
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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Grobsch
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Posted: July 21 2006 at 08:58 |
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Jumbo?? I think Jumbo is the most Kraut...
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I cannot find those kind of influences people mention a lot...
For example, I cannot find any Genesis influences on Grobschnitt or PFM... ELP influences on Banco del Mutuo Soccorso... even Rockpommel's Land has just some Yes like moments during its 45 minutes... Rockpommel's has symphonic influences, but also some kraut/comic/psichedelic moments...
It's more easy find Pink Floyd influences on Grobschnitt than another english band... also they were influenced by Hendrix, Zappa and psichedelic bands...
The german bands Grobschnitt, Eloy, Néktar, Mythos, Wallenstein, Pell Mell and more have few english influences and more Kraut influences... only Jane is Pink Floyd like... but it's my opinion...
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Posted: July 21 2006 at 08:47 |
erik neuteboom wrote:
I am glad that I added The International Story to this site because it's one of the highlights of German progrock history, good to see the positive reactions on this thread and the euphoric review from today! |
mine's coming up next week or something
However, I must say I am not a fan of Jumbo or Rockpommel Land because there Grobschnitt is simply too derivative of Yes and Genesis
Edited by Sean Trane - July 21 2006 at 08:48
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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Grobsch
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Posted: July 21 2006 at 07:01 |
erik neuteboom wrote:
I am glad that I added The International Story to this site because it's one of the highlights of German progrock history, good to see the positive reactions on this thread and the euphoric review from today! |
YESS, It's my review... I like a lot the 2CD set... The 'Die Sinfonie' live version is just Fantastic... The second algum brings some nice Illegal songs mixed with classic ones... For me it's hard to vote here... about studio albuns, every day I like more one than other... I heard so much 'Rockpommel's Land' in the past, so after a while, yesterday I really liked to hear some songs on 'The International Story'... but... allthough Rockpommel's Land is one of my favorites album ever, I'm not anymore a bigger fan of symphonic rock, I'm now more fan of the 'Solar Music Live'... 
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Posted: July 21 2006 at 06:36 |
Aaron wrote:
care to elaborate?
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music connection between Grobschnitt and Yes (there is also connection related
to cover of “Rockpommel’s Land” and works of Roger Dean). “Soon” is last part (for
many people the most interesting part – I don’t think so) of “Gates Of Delirium”.
“Soon” ought to be considered as calm, even silence after violent and mad
previous part of that track when musicians of Yes fight (only on music field)
one another. Silence after storm. That’s way “Soon” – in my opinion – is fantastic
part of “Gates Of Delirium” (Moraz is fantastic, too ).
I find
mentioned music idea in title track – “Rockpommel’s Land”.
Edited by MattiR - July 21 2006 at 06:39
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Posted: July 20 2006 at 21:11 |
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Voted for Solar Music - Live... great stuff, but I like all previous albums to it, including the not voted (until now) "Jumbo".
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erik neuteboom
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Posted: July 20 2006 at 17:58 |
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I am glad that I added The International Story to this site because it's one of the highlights of German progrock history, good to see the positive reactions on this thread and the euphoric review from today!
Edited by erik neuteboom - July 20 2006 at 17:58
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Posted: July 20 2006 at 17:56 |
I have their first, Jumbo, Rockpommel's and Illegal. I like Rockpommel's very much, Jumbo is very good, Illegal does not do much for me at all, and my favourite is their first.
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Posted: July 20 2006 at 17:48 |
Sean Trane wrote:
chamberry wrote:
I only have their debut and Solar Music Live. >> all you need really. But for those interestred, the brand new International Grobschnitt Story (recorded live with a 53 min version of Solar Music) is outstanding stuff and for once not filled with lengthy German monologue which us non-German do not understand
So if I could vote over the two I would go with Solar Music Live by a hair. The debut has some very powerful stuff too. >> this is why I voted for the debut! I know most people will choose another and leave this one without a vote
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Ok, good. That would be my next purchase from the band 
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Posted: July 20 2006 at 17:46 |
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Rockpommel's Land for me, although sometimes a bit too laidback.
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erik neuteboom
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Posted: July 20 2006 at 17:40 |
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Solar Music is for me one of the highlights in German progrock, incredible dynamic and original! My favorite studio album is Ballermann, I bought the 2-LP in the late Seventies and I still love it.
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Posted: July 20 2006 at 12:39 |
MattiR wrote:
"Rockpommel's Land" - refers to... "Gates Of Delirium" ("Soon") by Yes  |
care to elaborate?
Aaron
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Posted: July 20 2006 at 12:37 |
Rockpommel's Land, i feel, is just one of those albums where everything came together just right even though the silly concept could cause major problems, but it didn't and i think it is fantastic
Solar Music Live is easily the best live album i have ever heard
but i voted RL
Aaron
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MattiR
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Posted: July 20 2006 at 12:35 |
"Rockpommel's Land" - refers to... "Gates Of Delirium" ("Soon") by Yes
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Posted: July 20 2006 at 11:51 |
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"Solar music live" detroys almost everything ever created on a live album
Edited by philippe - July 20 2006 at 11:52
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