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markj
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Topic: 70's French Prog Chat Posted: August 23 2006 at 19:18 |
DallasBryan wrote:
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Adam, Bryan, Markj and all others, I have a question.
I saw this 2 albums on one cd by Jean Pierre Alarcen on WaySide music for 15$:
What do you think of those two albums? Should I buy this? Is this a good purchase in your opinion?
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not a great album but worth inclusion, top 50 french from the 70's if that helps. |
Agreed. Not great, but completely facile sort of "jazz/prog fusion",
maybe in the same ballpark as Benoit Widemann, etc. The levels in it -
very quite to very loud - are the one thing that bothers me (and that's only my taste), but that's
what apparently what he was going for, especially in the long suites.
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Posted: August 23 2006 at 08:16 |
It's close to "Ame son", it can be also described as a cross of PF and Gong, but more amateurish. They have their own sound actually. Very rare indeed.
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Posted: August 23 2006 at 08:14 |
Oliver I have heard good things about Nyl but have found very little out about the band. What is their sound like?
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Posted: August 23 2006 at 08:09 |
I suggested some new french additions: -Joël Dugrenot -Crium delirium -Nyl
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Posted: August 23 2006 at 08:07 |
DarioIndjic wrote:
MattiR wrote:
DarioIndjic wrote:
Pulsar - Strands Of The Future(one of the best psychedelic/trippy albums i ever heard)
Pulsar - Pollen(great keyboards!!!)
Ange - Guet Apens(an essential for mellotron lovers)
Jean Michel Jarre - Oxygene and Equinoxe(simply two classics of modern music!)
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I heard Atoll also but i didnt like it,or maybe i didn't gave much time to myself to apreciate it,i don't know... ![Smile](http://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley1.gif) |
If you like Yes, Genesis and even - Mahavishnu Orchestra, Asia ![LOL](smileys/smiley36.gif) ---> Atoll is for you
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Posted: August 22 2006 at 22:26 |
MattiR wrote:
DarioIndjic wrote:
Pulsar - Strands Of The Future(one of the best psychedelic/trippy albums i ever heard)
Pulsar - Pollen(great keyboards!!!)
Ange - Guet Apens(an essential for mellotron lovers)
Jean Michel Jarre - Oxygene and Equinoxe(simply two classics of modern music!)
Clearlight - Clearlight Symphony |
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What about Atoll?![Wink](smileys/smiley2.gif)
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I heard Atoll also but i didnt like it,or maybe i didn't gave much time to myself to apreciate it,i don't know... ![Smile](http://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley1.gif)
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Ars longa , vita brevis
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Posted: August 22 2006 at 17:46 |
^^^
Thanks Bryan
I will put that one (and others) on hold due to financial reasons.
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Posted: August 22 2006 at 16:36 |
avestin wrote:
Adam, Bryan, Markj and all others, I have a question.
I saw this 2 albums on one cd by Jean Pierre Alarcen on WaySide music for 15$:
What do you think of those two albums? Should I buy this? Is this a good purchase in your opinion?
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not a great album but worth inclusion, top 50 french from the 70's if that helps.
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Posted: August 20 2006 at 19:05 |
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Posted: August 20 2006 at 18:38 |
avestin wrote:
Adam, Bryan, Markj and all others, I have a question.
I saw this 2 albums on one cd by Jean Pierre Alarcen on WaySide music for 15$:
What do you think of those two albums? Should I buy this? Is this a good purchase in your opinion?
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I own this, but I have absolutely no idea what it sounds like. I guess
I would say it made no impression on me. I'll give it a spin this week
and see it that's accurate.
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Posted: August 20 2006 at 10:17 |
DarioIndjic wrote:
Pulsar - Strands Of The Future(one of the best psychedelic/trippy albums i ever heard)
Pulsar - Pollen(great keyboards!!!)
Ange - Guet Apens(an essential for mellotron lovers)
Jean Michel Jarre - Oxygene and Equinoxe(simply two classics of modern music!)
Clearlight - Clearlight Symphony |
![Clap](smileys/smiley32.gif) ![Clap](smileys/smiley32.gif) ![Clap](smileys/smiley32.gif) What about Atoll? ![Wink](smileys/smiley2.gif)
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Posted: August 19 2006 at 23:53 |
French prog was great in 70s!Quebecer prog also!
Here is my favorite french albums
Pulsar - Strands Of The Future(one of the best psychedelic/trippy albums i ever heard)
Pulsar - Pollen(great keyboards!!!)
Ange - Guet Apens(an essential for mellotron lovers)
Jean Michel Jarre - Oxygene and Equinoxe(simply two classics of modern music!)
Clearlight - Clearlight Symphony
Pentacle - Le clef des songes(moog at best)
Sandrose - Sandrose ( one of the most beautiful female voice )
Amazing stuff!!!
Ive also heard Univers Zero,Anacrhoid,Magma,etc..but thats not my cup of tea...
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Posted: August 19 2006 at 21:29 |
Adam, Bryan, Markj and all others, I have a question.
I saw this 2 albums on one cd by Jean Pierre Alarcen on WaySide music for 15$:
What do you think of those two albums? Should I buy this? Is this a good purchase in your opinion?
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Posted: August 19 2006 at 13:17 |
The only French-ish band I know from the 1970's is Harmonium. ![Embarrassed](smileys/smiley9.gif) They were Quebecois anyway, oh my! I have yet to find any of the acts listed here, but I am sure I will some day.
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Posted: August 19 2006 at 11:39 |
^^^
Vander sera ajoutez ici prochainement.
Je trouve que le prog Francais est plus qu'interessante...
(Sorry for the spelling mistakes...)
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Posted: August 19 2006 at 00:12 |
Oui, la musique progressive de France est assez interessante, surtout Vander et Magma, mes favoris!
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Posted: August 18 2006 at 16:53 |
Marki,
Could you suggest what you might consider a top 10 or 20 or 30 list of intelligent progressive music from the french scene in the 70's? You sound as if your recommendations could be trustworthy if one were seeking to take a dip in the genre.
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Posted: August 17 2006 at 20:41 |
Thanks for the help, I have been listening to those sample on his home page, and this is to my liking. I don't know if it is just my tastes but I quite liked first album, but I can see the sedation and refinement of the later works. I can really understand what you were pointing out in the first paragraphy though. This is definately going to be one of those love hate relationship bands ![](smileys/smiley36.gif) . Though this is just listening from samples. Just as a side note, which label are you with?
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Posted: August 17 2006 at 20:28 |
Marcoeur's work's matured a lot over time. There are many hard-core
affecionatos of the four early albums, and while the above review
considers those aspects negatives, they're the same aspects that make
these albums so well respected. The lyrics are full of puns and double
entendre that might make the albums more sensible - I don't speak
French, but that's what they say.
For the neophyte, a better entry point might be the later stuff, that
many consider much more sedate than those early albums. I'd recommend Ma Vie Avec Elles and m,a,r, et coeur comme coeur, as well as the incredible Sports et Percussions (now you know. I'm a fanboy), where the lauded aspects of those early albums are distilled and a bit less frenetic.
Albert's been reissuing his albums on his own label. You can get sound
samples, buy CDs and take a look some pretty off-the-wall stuff at
www.albertmarcoeur.com -- well worth checking into, he's absolutely
unique. Steve at Wayside's a big Marcoeur freak, check
www.waysidemusic.com for his perspective.
The Komitern album's great fun, too. We wanted to reissue it on CD.
Bernard at Musea said he'd be doing it, but that was two years ago, and
I don't think it's been done yet. I'll be the first in line to replace
my vinyl copy -
Comelade's early work bears little to no resemblance to anything he's done since then. I find Traffic D'abstraction to be the one album I return to, the earlier work's influences are too overt.
IIRC, Booz is a reasonably famous actor in France and has little interest in his old music.
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Posted: August 17 2006 at 18:28 |
Thanks for all that info DB, browsing over Francois Breant reminded me about a band I have heard a lot about but no music to match the name. Albert Marcoeur. Anyone farmilar with the band? I have heard good things about the first album, styling RIO and chamber rock. I was looking around for reviews and stumbled across this very negative one. "I feel like I ought to like it. Most of the avant-prog community loves it. Dave Kerman cites it as some of his favorite music. But try as I may, I can't see Albert Marcoeur's debut album as anything other than a big slab of wasted potential. I just don't understand what makes it so special. Yes, Marcoeur can write some really nice proto-RIO chamber-rock grooves -- but he never does anything with them. He'll just repeat them over and over again under some spoken word ("Tu Tapes Trop Fort"), or abandon them too soon for some fragmentary noise that has nothing to do with them ("C'est Raté, C'est Raté"). I have to give him a bit of credit for sounding like Aksak Maboul three years before they were formed, but the compositions here just aren't that good. Still, the music here would be entertaining, even in its half-formed state, if it weren't for Marcoeur's attempts to be funny. I mean, I'm not going to object to hyperactive French avant-pop like "Mon Père Avait un P'tit Champ d'Pommes," even if it doesn't really develop itself. But goofy noises, abrasive grunts and "raspberry" effects serve only to bring the music down. Worse, the rhythmic gargling sounds in "C'est Raté, C'est Raté" actually stimulate by gag reflex. A similar problem happens with the arrangements; while the shrieking recorders, out-of-tune folk instruments and so on sound pretty good most of the time, sometimes the weird instrumental sounds are detrimental to the music, especially the annoying "clucking" timbre of the otherwise cool demented-circus ending of "Appalderie." As with any highly problematic record, there are some nice moments scattered around. All the parts that sound like Aksak Maboul, like the very "Cinema"-like first 30 seconds of "Que Le Temps est Long," are pretty good. "Simone" also stands out as much better than the rest of the album, with its funky recorder break and absolutely beautiful, lush instrumental coda (calling Miriodor!). But not only are a few nice passages insufficient to make a good album, they sometimes make the inferior material seem worse by contrast. The ending of "Simone" is excellent, but it's also a harsh reminder that beauty -- and I mean aesthetically moving sounds, not necessarily "pretty" ones -- is something that this overrated album almost completely lacks." Needless to say this was a little off putting, so I was wondering if anyone here is confident to recommend them to me?
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