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Syzygy ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 16 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 7142 |
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Are drummers crazy? Two words: Phil Collins. In many cases, the wife of a painter and decorator may leave her husband for somebody more exciting, such as a musician. In Phil Collins' case, the rockstar's wife left him for the decorator. He's a great drummer, but as a wildman he makes John Denver look like Iggy Pop.
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'Like so many of you
I've got my doubts about how much to contribute to the already rich among us...' Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom |
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Guillermo ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: November 28 2004 Location: Mexico Status: Offline Points: 814 |
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I have Paul`s "McCartney" album from 1970. He plays all the instruments in that album. At least as a drummer, I still prefer Ringo Starrr. Paul also played the drums in some songs in "The White Album", the double album titled "The Beatles" (in "Back in the U.S.S.R", with also John and George H. on drum parts; "Dear Prudence"). He played good drums in "Dear Prudence", but the drums in "Back in the U.S.S.R" are not very good, in my opinion. Ringo left The Beatles for about 2 weeks during the recording of that album because he was tired of waiting for the rest of the band in the studio. They always arrived hours later after Ringo, and he was tired of waiting. He was finally convinced to return to the band before a T.V. appearance of the band playing "Hey Jude". He was received in the studio with flowers over his drum kit. I read all this information about the "White Album" in Mark Lewisohn`s book "The Beatles:Recording Sessions" (1988).In the same book, producer George Martin praises Ringo`s work, saying that "he was very solid, like a metronome for us, and he rarely did mistakes while playing the drums during the recording sessions" (more or less as I remember). it was more frequently to repeat recording takes due to mistakes done by the other 3 members than by him. I recently read in a website in the internet http://members.tripod.com/~taz4158/beatles.html an interview with John Lennon done in 1971. He said that George Harrison and him were tired of being Paul`s sidemen, so they split! Paul`s ego is very big! Edited by Guillermo |
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Pixel Pirate ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 11 2004 Location: Norway Status: Offline Points: 793 |
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Paul was referring to himself,obviously since by the late 60's he had passed all the other Beatle members in proficiancy on each of their instruments in turn. He is after all,the only ex-Beatle to release solo albums where he plays all the instruments himself. I'd like to see Ringo attempting that! |
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Rob The Good ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: December 17 2004 Location: New Zealand Status: Offline Points: 476 |
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Oooh ouch. But then we'll have to open another thread, and I'm sure it's been done before: who's the best Prog drummer? Carl Palmer or Neil Peart? Any others?
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And Jesus said unto John, "come forth and receive eternal life..."
Unfortunately, John came fifth and was stuck with a toaster. |
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sigod ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 17 2004 Location: London Status: Offline Points: 2779 |
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I remember hearing a great story about Ringo Starr and Paul MaCartney, although I cannot vouch for it's validity. MaCartney is not usually known for his cutting remarks (usually John's purview) but during the break up of the Beatles, Ringo was quoted in an interview, as saying that he was the best drummer in the world. Paul responded a few weeks later (in another interview) saying: 'Best drummer in the world? He wasn't even the best drummer in the Beatles!' Heh!
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Rob The Good ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: December 17 2004 Location: New Zealand Status: Offline Points: 476 |
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Oh of course, I hope I didn't give anyone the impression that I think drumming is easy. I suppose it's one of those things where you see someone do it, and you're like "I bet I can do that!" and you get behind a kit...and ouch. Not quite as facile as one thought.
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And Jesus said unto John, "come forth and receive eternal life..."
Unfortunately, John came fifth and was stuck with a toaster. |
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Guillermo ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: November 28 2004 Location: Mexico Status: Offline Points: 814 |
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I read somewhere that Pete Townshend of The Who once said that Keith Moon was "the soul of the band". I agree with Townshend. When Moon died, the sound of the band changed a lot, and they disbanded 4 years after Moon died. Kenney Jones, Moon`s replacement, wasn`t "crazy" as Moon, and his style, while being a good drummer, never fitted in The Who. I don`t think that John Bonham was "crazy". He was one of the best drummers in Rock. He drank a lot, that`s all. But I don`t think he was hyperactive as Keith Moon was. I don`t think that all drummers are specially "crazy" or hyperactive. Musicians are "crazy" or not, and I don`t think that it is related to playing an instrument like the drums. Jimi Hendrix in the Monterey Rock Festival in 1967 burned his guitar. Keith Moon and Pete Townshed destroyed their instruments in concerts. Ozzy Osbourne once bit a bat on stage in the 80s. He received several doses of anti-rabies vaccine after doing it! Peter Gabriel likes to "swim" in the audience in his concerts. Gene Simmons spits fire from his mouth in concerts! AC/DC `s lead guitarist Angus Young still uses his school uniform in concerts (he is nearly 50 years old, I think!) and he also shows his nude arse in concerts! Who is more "crazy"? To be a good drummer, one really needs talent. It is not simply to hit the drums "in random". You need to have rhythm sense, something that many people, some musicians included, lack. It requires good coordination of hands and legs, technique for how to hit the drums and the cymbals, technique for how to take the drumsticks, a lot of practice. Technique for how to hit the bass drum pedal. Even good ears to tune the drums, which, if you don`t have an electronic drum tuner, you have to do it manually using a specially designed key. You also have to learn to do "tinge" sounds: when to play loud and when to play soft, how to improvise when necessary, etc. Drummers also read scores.Some of them also learn to play the piano and other percussion instruments. They are "real musicians" like guitarists, keyboard players, etc. Playing the drums is not like hitting the stew-pans in the kitchen. Edited by Guillermo |
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Rob The Good ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: December 17 2004 Location: New Zealand Status: Offline Points: 476 |
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I'd like to learn drums...I just think there's a certain pleasure to be had in inflicting pain on something that invites it. Or am I sick?
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And Jesus said unto John, "come forth and receive eternal life..."
Unfortunately, John came fifth and was stuck with a toaster. |
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Joren ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 07 2004 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 6667 |
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right... I don't speak Klingon |
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Reed Lover ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: July 16 2004 Location: Sao Tome and Pr Status: Offline Points: 5187 |
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I'm not sure you would associate Neil Peart with craziness. Seems one of the most level-headed guys in rock. See. |
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alan_pfeifer ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: December 05 2004 Status: Offline Points: 823 |
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I think drummers are crazy because we want to emulate are heroes. As corny as that sounds, I remember that I saw some footage of Keith Moon when I was just starting out, and I was like, "Wow, I want to BE that guy. That looks like a lot of fun." That, or we're crazy cause we all watched the muppets when we were little and Animal Brainwashed us. |
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selling_echoes ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 07 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 113 |
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what musician isn't crazy?
The dude who picks up guitar 'cause chicks dig guitarists. He's just retarded. ![]() On the other hand, I picked up guitar a while back to attract dudes like sh*t does with flies (oh lovely metaphor) -- so I can't talk. ![]() |
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Vibrationbaby ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: February 13 2004 Status: Offline Points: 6898 |
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Vibrationbaby ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: February 13 2004 Status: Offline Points: 6898 |
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Rob The Plant ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: December 15 2004 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 819 |
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John Bonham did do Prog Drumming! What musician isn't crazy?
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Dead Jester ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 19 2004 Location: Western Sahara Status: Offline Points: 283 |
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Hyper Active
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Radiolaria ![]() Forum Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: December 10 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 51 |
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I'm a bassist, so I have no clue.
To my vain pompous side, the question is Why are Bassists Sexy? |
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When 900 years you reach, look as good, you will not.
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Sound Chaser ![]() Forum Groupie ![]() Joined: December 12 2004 Status: Offline Points: 41 |
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Maybe because you have to be a little crazy just to be interested in
the drums. You bang the hell outta drums to make music. It's just a
crazy idea, but a fun one. I love the drums but I'm so bad. I need to
get my kit set up and start practicing again.
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BebieM ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 01 2004 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 854 |
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I feel attracted to the drums since quite a while and I'll start playing them next summer. Hope I'm getting crazy too then |
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threefates ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: June 30 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 4215 |
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because the best drummers are also hyper active... and if you're not, you aren't as good as those that are.... Carl Palmer is the most hyperactive guy I've ever seen.. and then he drinks coffee... I found that scary!! |
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