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dropForge
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Topic: New age Posted: January 13 2005 at 22:30 |
European release only? The Big Picture was released everywhere. I just saw a used copy of it, in fact. I'm not a fan of Shrieve's solo stuff.
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DallasBryan
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Posted: January 13 2005 at 22:16 |
the best new age CD ever? one of the 10 best progressive rock albums ever Made right here in the US by, you guessed it YOUR FAVORITE AOR ARTISTS!!!!!! Michael Shrieve - The Big Picture due to contract obligations the artists involved are not listed as this was a european only release. here are some of the people involved Jeff Lynne(stick that up your nose!) Harry Nilsson Ringo Starr Michael Thompson Jeff Baxter David Beal Benmont Tench Robbie Buchanan Bob Glaub David Grissom Jim Horn
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dropForge
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Posted: January 13 2005 at 21:50 |
Private Music was started in 1984 by Peter Baumann, a member of Tangerine Dream from 1972-1977 (he later sold the label). Peter heard the wordless sequencer prelude on Jobson's Green Album and immediately contracted Eddie to do Theme Of Secrets. Eddie did record a follow-up, called Theme Of Knowledge which was never released because of the darker nature of the compositions. The label (not sure if that means Baumann, specifically) wanted Eddie to rerecord or alter the music, but he refused. Eddie has yet to release the music on his own.
Private Music did release some interesting stuff, and some downright crap. I still have some CDs from Private, including both by Lucia Hwong, Yanni's two good ones, Optimystique and Out Of Silence, and a couple of others.
Most of these guys played synths - the Synclavier being the favoured machine - and tried to create ambient music - and after awhile I couldn't tell one from tother. |
Carlos Alomar's a guitarist, he used to play with Bowie. Patrick O'Hearn (former bassist with Zappa and Missing Persons) used a bunch of different synths. We all know who Jerry Goodman is. The music by all of the artists you mentioned was quite unique and easily identifiable -- except for Ponder, I only heard bits of his, and I didn't care for it. The music Yanni, Hwong, O'Hearn and Goodman created was too dynamic and eclectic-sounding to be ambient.
Another label that is no longer is Fortuna (or if Fortuna is still around, the label doesn't even register on the radar). Fortuna released some albums by Steve Roach, Richard Burmer and Emerald Web, but those seemed like the only worthwhile acts on their roster for a couple of years in the mid-80s. Roach and Burmer both switched labels, and Audion released Emerald Web's Catspaw before the Web returned to self-publishing.
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Dick Heath
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Posted: January 13 2005 at 20:17 |
New Age could often be well played musak (and some time damned
awful musak). The major record companies vied with each other to have
their own New Age labels, and there were the independents,
e.g. Windham Hill and (theTangerine Dream owned) Private
Music. One way or another I managed to get Private Music to send me
promos for my radioshow and have examples of my ill gotten gains next
to me:
David Van Tieghem, Azuma, Yanni, (the former Zappa sidesman ) Patrick O'Hearn, Eddie Jobson (last released album Theme of Secrets?),
Jerry Goodman (rumour has it, keeping his hand in whilst bringing up
his kids??), Carlos Alamar, Lucia Hwong, Sandford Ponder. (And the Ravi
Shankar Project was also under the Private Music umbrella)
Most of these guys played synths - the Synclavier being the favoured
machine - and tried to create ambient music - and after awhile I
couldn't tell one from tother.
These labels either folded for being over-specialised and lacking
customers, or had to broaden their horizons significantly , e.g. Taj
Mahal signed to Private Music.
Windham Hill still goes on as far as I'm aware, and managed to
have a number of better musicians, e.g. William
Ackerman, Shadowfax, and even David Torn for a one-off.
Phillips and EMI had their specialist New Age labels - but
clearly bemused from the start of what sort of musician they should
promote, respectively,(amongst the mabient players you have
found) Hubbards Cupboards (a Morrisey Mullen Band spin-off) and a
couple of Ian Carr jazz albums.
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Vibrationbaby
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Posted: January 13 2005 at 15:55 |
Ilike a lot of Klaus Schultze. You usally find him in the New Age section. Jean Michel Jarre is also a fave, Oxygene, Equinoxe and Searching For Cousteau being notable recordings.
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sigod
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Posted: January 13 2005 at 09:12 |
Beau Heem wrote:
One of my favourite progRock groups, Jade Warrior, made some new age stuff in the 80s.
AWFUL
But that doesn't make their earlier efforts any worse. But only the fact that "a lot" of new age stuff was made by ProgRock bands or instances in close relation with them, doesn't make the records worthy of mentioning in the prog archives, save for these discussions of ours, of course.
In order to prevent someone else from doing the same mistake that I did with Jade Warrior's At Peace Album, it should be deleted from the JW Discography (along with Horizen and Breathing the Storm, I suppose)... What I did was, that after purchasing all the JW albums 'til Way of the Sun (thanks to the Island Anthology), I found (to my great surprise) in the prog archives (could have been some other site...hmm...), that the group had done music in the 80s as well, so I got up my lazy ass and really made an effort in finding At Peace. Luckily, I had a chance to listen to it prior to buying it...
I felt rather cheated at the time...
-Beau
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It's terrible when bands do that. It's like seeing your parents trying to dance to a current chart tune at a Wedding disco. You stand there and scream in your head...'Let the ground open up and swallow me now!!!'
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mirco
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Posted: January 13 2005 at 09:09 |
One thing for sure: I respect more a band that moves from prog to new age than another that moves toward radio pop.
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Beau Heem
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Posted: January 13 2005 at 08:57 |
One of my favourite progRock groups, Jade Warrior, made some new age stuff in the 80s.
AWFUL
But that doesn't make their earlier efforts any worse.
But only the fact that "a lot" of new age stuff was made by ProgRock
bands or instances in close relation with them, doesn't make the
records worthy of mentioning in the prog archives, save for these
discussions of ours, of course.
In order to prevent someone else from doing the same mistake that I did with Jade Warrior's At Peace Album, it should be deleted from the JW Discography (along with Horizen and Breathing the Storm,
I suppose)... What I did was, that after purchasing all the JW albums
'til Way of the Sun (thanks to the Island Anthology), I found (to my
great surprise) in the prog archives (could have been some other
site...hmm...), that the group had done music in the 80s as well, so I
got up my lazy ass and really made an effort in finding At Peace. Luckily, I had a chance to listen to it prior to buying it...
I felt rather cheated at the time...
-Beau
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Posted: January 13 2005 at 08:47 |
i'm a big guy now!
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Posted: January 13 2005 at 08:46 |
500th message!
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Posted: January 13 2005 at 08:46 |
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Posted: January 13 2005 at 08:45 |
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Posted: January 13 2005 at 08:45 |
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Pixel Pirate
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Posted: January 13 2005 at 08:33 |
I guess Jarre could fit in somewhere in the new age field but he's too diverse to be called a true new age artist. "Oxygene" could in some ways be called a proto new age album but other things he has done,like "Zoolook",are very far away from what most people think of as new age.
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Posted: January 13 2005 at 08:30 |
it's a litle cheesy i prefer tim blake
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Posted: January 13 2005 at 08:26 |
Where fits Jean-michell Jarré, by the way? I have only one record, Oxigene, but i havenīt played it for so long that I donīt ever remember what it is about.
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Posted: January 13 2005 at 08:12 |
Some new age definitely crosses over into prog. The best example is probably Harvey Summers. I read somewhere that if you like Mike Oldfield,you probably like Harvey Summers. And they do have things in common. Summers is also a multiinstrumentalist who made his debut at at very young age,at 17 actually!,and their respective musical expressions also have things in common in that both cross musical bounderies all the time. I would recommend his "Feng Shui" cd trilogy. At about 3 hours long it's the longest concept album I have ever heard and it can test my patience a bit ,but it's still a fascinating blend of eastern and western music in a way unrivalled by anything else I have heard.
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Posted: January 13 2005 at 07:52 |
Like me, i'm found of shrooms especially "liberty caps"
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mirco
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Posted: January 13 2005 at 07:49 |
I prefer the champignons, Oliver...
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Posted: January 13 2005 at 07:47 |
Cyrille verdeaux, from Clearlight has made good new age efforts in the 80's. there are good things and bad things among new age What about a little flower dinner, mirco?
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