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    Posted: November 02 2007 at 13:23

Resurrecting the old thread...

As I said earlier, most videos I found on youtube are of bad sound quality, unfortunately.... But I've found recently this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGaTLs-GsFw -- "The Orphan's Lament", one of the most touching and beautiful songs recorded by Huun-Huur-Tu...



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 10 2007 at 17:26
Tuvan throat singing is wonderrful and will give you lovely little nodes if you decide to be a master of it. Still great thoughg! WOO
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 10 2007 at 14:37
Originally posted by Man With Hat Man With Hat wrote:

In my music class we are discussing Tuvan throat singing, and when my professor first played an example, I was floored. It was incredable. That takes some real talent. I also read an article about them, and they seem like really cool guys (who play some really cool instruments as well) with good tastes in music.  (For those who don't know, Bapa is a really big Weather Report fan). Hug
 
I am definitely going to buy some HHT albums soon. Can't wait to sink my teeth into this stuff more.
 
My brother (IPOF) runs a juggling club at our school.  He was playing Hoyry-Kone's Huono Parturi (the opening song) one meeting, and a member of the club pointed out that Lehtipuu was doing some Tuvan throat singing.  He then demonstrated three different types.  It was quite impressive.
 
You should try the album (if you can find it).  That opening song is incredible, and the rest of the album is even better.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 10 2007 at 14:32
Originally posted by Fassbinder Fassbinder wrote:

Interesting...
 
More like yodel, in my opinion, though THAT throat singing is present, here and there.
 
Still, the purist and the Tuvan patriot in me says: "it's not exactly that..."


No, it's not exactly that, but for a few moments he actualy does sing high-pitched overtones over the main timbre...which is still a pure science fiction for me!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 10 2007 at 11:33
Interesting...
 
More like yodel, in my opinion, though THAT throat singing is present, here and there.
 
Still, the purist and the Tuvan patriot in me says: "it's not exactly that..."
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 10 2007 at 10:31
Throat singing could be found in progressive rock too!

Check this video.Thumbs%20Up
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 04 2007 at 02:30
Originally posted by Fassbinder Fassbinder wrote:

Any steppe... or prairie near you? In order to be as close as possible to the "roots"...
 
One of the styles (namely, ezengileer) is sung during the horse riding, traditionally. But then you must have a horse...
 
Sadly not. I'm surrounded by suburbia.
 
However, there is some woodlands in the northern parts of the state, and some beach and beach like areas in the south. Probably the closest thing I can find to nature.
 
And I can find plenty a horse at my college...unfortunately, I've never sat upon a horse (and if I did it was for one of the pony rides fairs and things like that).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 03 2007 at 19:36
I read about the throat singing phenomenon in Italy and Finland, if I'm not mistaken (don't remember, however, in which regions). I also heard the samples of North American (Canadian, I think) natives' throat singing. 
 
But I suspect that only in Central Asia (Tuva, Khakassia, Altay etc.) the throat singing techniques and traditions reach the level of real art. I'm biased though...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 03 2007 at 03:20
The art of throat singing exists all over the world. Many African tribes do it too.
I discovered throat-singing when I was a little kid and made experiments with gurgling; only I had no idea what I was doing. In fact the technique is quite similar with gurgling. Imagine gurgling without water, and then using your mouth as sounding board, changing the positions of it as if pronouncing different vowels, and voilà! It's fun, but expect people to throw you funny looks when doing it in public!  LOL


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 03 2007 at 01:53
Any steppe... or prairie near you? In order to be as close as possible to the "roots"...
 
One of the styles (namely, ezengileer) is sung during the horse riding, traditionally. But then you must have a horse...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 03 2007 at 01:33
Thanks.
 
And I am going to try one day (hopefully soon), but I must have the house to myself first....for obvious reasons. LOL


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 03 2007 at 01:30
I wish you great pleasure with their music (and singing).
 
By the way, is there anybody in the forum who is able to produce some throat-singing-like sounds? I tried, but in vain...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 03 2007 at 01:20
In my music class we are discussing Tuvan throat singing, and when my professor first played an example, I was floored. It was incredable. That takes some real talent. I also read an article about them, and they seem like really cool guys (who play some really cool instruments as well) with good tastes in music.  (For those who don't know, Bapa is a really big Weather Report fan). Hug
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 07 2007 at 21:12

Amazing!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 07 2007 at 18:17
Originally posted by IVNORD IVNORD wrote:


I am watching them on You Tube. The singing is incredible. But again, I'm not really into ethnic music. I'm not particularly thrilled about their conventional singing accompanied by traditional folk instruments. Out of all their albums you've recommended, is there any containing mostly throat singing?
 
I'm not too fond of those performances on YouTube. But, then again, I have a real concert to compare with.
 
It seems that there's a kind of a slight misunderstanding here. The Tuvan singing (and Huun-Huur-Tu aren't an exception) is, mostly, a blend of "normal" and throat singing. It's not the case that they sing some songs only conventionally and some songs only by a throat. There are very few numbers which are plain throat-singing exercises (wordless, as a rule; only sounds) on Huun-Huur-Tu's albums. If you want to listen to these exercises mostly, 60 Horses in my Herd and The Orphan's Lament contain more such exercises than If I'd been Born an Eagle and Where Young Grass Grows.
 
Thus, from both sides, their first two albums are more recommended to be heard in first turn.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2007 at 13:56
Originally posted by Fassbinder Fassbinder wrote:

Well, IVNORD, first of all, thanks.


Then, I don't know any of these languages. But I hear the difference between Kuvezin's pronunciation and that of other Tuvans (both of Huun-Huur-Tu and outside it), whereas the similarity of every Tuvan's (except Kuvezin, who is (or rumoured to be) a Khakass) pronunciation is apparent. And no, I'm not from that region. BTW, what region are you from?


The following citate is from the official Huun-Huur-Tu site www.huunhuurtu.com:

"Huun-Huur-Tu (Tuvan: xün xürtü) literally means "sun propeller." The vertical separation of light rays that often occurs just after sunrise or just before sunset. For the members of Huun-Huur-Tu, the refraction of light that produces these rays seems analogous to the "refraction" of sound that produces articulated harmonics in Tuvan throat-singing. "


As for recommendations, I would recommend all first four studio albums of them: 60 Horses in my Herd, The Orphan's Lament, If I'd been Born an Eagle, Where Young Grass Grows. The first two are, maybe, a little bit more representative.

 

And, please, pay attention that their music is not only throat singing (though it is superb) with traditional accompanement, but, unlike other artists of the genre, is a real music, Tuvan folk music masterfully played ensemble.

    Fassbinder,

I am watching them on You Tube. The singing is incredible. But again, I’m not really into ethnic music. I’m not particularly thrilled about their conventional singing accompanied by traditional folk instruments. Out of all their albums you’ve recommended, is there any containing mostly throat singing?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2007 at 11:32

Well, IVNORD, first of all, thanks.

Then, I don't know any of these languages. But I hear the difference between Kuvezin's pronunciation and that of other Tuvans (both of Huun-Huur-Tu and outside it), whereas the similarity of every Tuvan's (except Kuvezin, who is (or rumoured to be) a Khakass) pronunciation is apparent. And no, I'm not from that region. BTW, what region are you from?

The following citate is from the official Huun-Huur-Tu site www.huunhuurtu.com:

"Huun-Huur-Tu (Tuvan: xün xürtü) literally means "sun propeller." The vertical separation of light rays that often occurs just after sunrise or just before sunset. For the members of Huun-Huur-Tu, the refraction of light that produces these rays seems analogous to the "refraction" of sound that produces articulated harmonics in Tuvan throat-singing. "

As for recommendations, I would recommend all first four studio albums of them: 60 Horses in my Herd, The Orphan's Lament, If I'd been Born an Eagle, Where Young Grass Grows. The first two are, maybe, a little bit more representative.
 
And, please, pay attention that their music is not only throat singing (though it is superb) with traditional accompanement, but, unlike other artists of the genre, is a real music, Tuvan folk music masterfully played ensemble.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2007 at 09:34
Originally posted by Fassbinder Fassbinder wrote:

Personally, I highly recommend Huun-Huur-Tu as they seem to be the most authentic group and, simultaneously, the most artistic one.


Fassbinder,

You seem to have a lot of expertise in the matter (without asking if you know either Tuvan or Khakassian – how do you distinguish between the accents? Are you from that region?) After watching the Yat-Kha’s video clips, I should agree with you that throat singing In a Gadda da Vida sounds a little strange. I guess I’ll start with your choice of Huun-Huur-Tu (does it mean something in Tuvan?) What album of theirs would you recommend for an amateur like myself? Please take into consideration that I don’t expect from them melodiousness and sophistication of Rakhmaninov; I am interested in their stretching the limits of human capabilities. With that in mind, what would your recommendation be? TIA
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2007 at 04:56
I have only heard this as part of a Kronos Quartet CD - I found it interesting but it did not appeal sufficiently to look for a complete CD of this style....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2007 at 00:59
IVNORD:
 
Your point is clear. I simply don't like them as a group, and have huge problems with their leader's manner of representing things.
 
 
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