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Posted: January 24 2005 at 15:16 |
 Syzygy wrote:
When you consider that his contemporaries included Peter Hammill, Jon Anderson, Peter Gabriel, Ian Anderson and Greg Lake, he's not exactly outstanding is he? |
Although I certainly rate him as a bass guitarist, I have to admit, I've always seen his voice as something of a low-rent Greg Lake
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Posted: January 24 2005 at 13:28 |
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Posted: January 24 2005 at 12:41 |
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Posted: January 24 2005 at 12:00 |
I had a solo CD from John Wetton, Battlelines, which I really enjoyed. JW has long been a favorite voice in my view. I'm not really into polished singers. I like the sound of raw power and emotion, not feigned expression. 
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Posted: January 24 2005 at 11:08 |
threefates wrote:
I've never been a big fan of John Wetton's vocals.
I've always found them a bit bland myself. Well maybe not bland,
just void of emotion. I know most of you will think thats
because I preferred Greg singing in King Crimson (which would be true,
no one could match his voice), but I always liked John Wetton better
than the others who came after Greg... Gordon Haskell, Boz
Burrell, Adrian Belew.. etc... The last month tho, I've sort of
been listening to Lizard again. I didn't like it much years ago, but
its sort of growing on me now. I'm also appreciating Gordon
Haskell's voice a little more... as well as the first section of
Lizard where Jon Anderson sings. |
It's interesting that you can draw a line (style and in some respects
sound wise) directly from Greg Lake, through John Wetton and onwards to
Adrian Belew. Fripp seems to enjoy those big bucket voiced tenors to
front the mighty Crims. 
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Posted: January 24 2005 at 11:02 |
James Lee wrote:
I understand completely- there may be plenty more
expressive singers out there, but Wetton is perfect on "Starless", and
that may be my single favorite Crimson song. |
Agreed
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Posted: January 24 2005 at 10:06 |
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And Greg doesn't?????  |
Greg has never sounded like an old man... not even now at 57!!!! 
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Posted: January 24 2005 at 09:48 |
dropForge wrote:
| When you consider that his contemporaries included Peter Hammill, Jon Anderson, Peter Gabriel, Ian Anderson and Greg Lake, he's not exactly outstanding is he? |
As a vocalist, Peter Gabriel's overrated (no, I'm not going to run for cover for saying that, either). Of that fivesome, before his voice gave out sometime in the 80's, Ian Anderson was easily the best singer. His off-the-wall breakneck vocal stylings on, well, much of anything in the 70's is top-notch.
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I can't agree with you ,too.Peter Gabriel is great vocalist.Every singer has his own style and that is what makes you a good singer.Somebody is raucous other is a squeaker yet another one is high...I don't know really?How can we measure what is a good vocal?I'm not speaking about singers that really can't sing but about the other ones.
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Posted: January 24 2005 at 09:38 |
Hangedman wrote:
Well i caved in a bought the first asia album, because it was on sale for 6.99 canadian. It isnt bad, but its not really worth any more than i paid for it. A little while ago I bought steve hacketts tokyo tapes. I've formed an opinion on why I dont really like them. John Wetton is boring. I've never heard King Crimsons red, but in all honesty hes almost completely toneless. ARGH! anyone else want to vent about money lost on this foul being, or think hes pretty good and wants to remind me why post away. |
You have to hear RED and then you will change your mind.By the way who care what a good or no-good vocalist is he.It's the bass that counts and there he is really grat.
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Posted: January 24 2005 at 09:30 |
John Wetton is boring...
"Red" is an amazing record and the vocals in "starless" are good, but thats about as far as i'll go. He absolutely butchers Genesis songs in The Tokyo Tapes and he rapes "In The Court of THe Crimson king" to death...yes harsh i know, but true. Asia is also very monotonous and lacking....
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Posted: January 23 2005 at 00:33 |
And Greg doesn't?????
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Posted: January 22 2005 at 22:20 |
I can't agree with you there. I don't think Peter Gabriel was overrated.. and even tho I like Jethro Tull, I always thought Ian Anderson sounded like an old man singing.. even when he wasn't... 
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Posted: January 22 2005 at 21:22 |
| When you consider that his contemporaries included Peter Hammill, Jon Anderson, Peter Gabriel, Ian Anderson and Greg Lake, he's not exactly outstanding is he? |
As a vocalist, Peter Gabriel's overrated (no, I'm not going to run for cover for saying that, either). Of that fivesome, before his voice gave out sometime in the 80's, Ian Anderson was easily the best singer. His off-the-wall breakneck vocal stylings on, well, much of anything in the 70's is top-notch.
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Posted: January 22 2005 at 20:08 |
elpprogster wrote:
He´s a really good bass player/vocalist.
He made a great career among great bands:
Mogul Thrash
Family
king Crimson
Uriah Heep
Uk
Asia
Qango
Cheers,
Roger
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I wouldn't bring up the Qango stuff if you're trying to prove a point for John Wetton's vocals. Most all of the Qango stuff I've heard vocally is horrible.. but that guitarist, Dave Kilminster is quite interesting!!!
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Posted: January 22 2005 at 19:13 |
Syzygy wrote:
JW is an under rated bassist. Check out any of the live recordings of King Crimson circa Starless/Red for confirmation, he formed an awesome and highly dynamic rhythm section with Bill bruford, which continued into the first UK album. Let's be realistic though, he's no more than competent as a vocalist, and he's usually been sensible enough to know his limitations in that department. When you consider that his contemporaries included Peter Hammill, Jon Anderson, Peter Gabriel, Ian Anderson and Greg Lake, he's not exactly outstanding is he?
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Good Point, he does have a lot to live up to.
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Posted: January 22 2005 at 18:07 |
He´s a really good bass player/vocalist.
He made a great career among great bands:
Mogul Thrash
Family
king Crimson
Uriah Heep
Uk
Asia
Qango
Cheers,
Roger
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Posted: January 22 2005 at 15:51 |
JW is an under rated bassist. Check out any of the live recordings of King Crimson circa Starless/Red for confirmation, he formed an awesome and highly dynamic rhythm section with Bill bruford, which continued into the first UK album. Let's be realistic though, he's no more than competent as a vocalist, and he's usually been sensible enough to know his limitations in that department. When you consider that his contemporaries included Peter Hammill, Jon Anderson, Peter Gabriel, Ian Anderson and Greg Lake, he's not exactly outstanding is he?
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I've got my doubts about how much to contribute
to the already rich among us...'
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JrKASperov
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Posted: January 22 2005 at 06:32 |
How can you people listen to Exiles and say he lacks emotion? 
Besides all that about JW, his bassplaying kicks ass. Listen to his
improvisations on Exiles, Book of Saturday and We'll let you know! He
never plays the same tune twice! And his improvisations are simply
showing of great imagination.
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Epic.
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Posted: January 22 2005 at 05:53 |
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Not great, but never annoying like the AC/DC singer for example.
I somehow enjoy listening him. And he fits well in KC's Red.
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Posted: January 22 2005 at 05:19 |
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I DO like Wetton's vocals. A LOT. To me, the have an aspect of spectacle to them. Over-the-edge stuff. Great!
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And Jesus said unto John, "come forth and receive eternal life..."
Unfortunately, John came fifth and was stuck with a toaster.
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