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Poll Question: Which version of the Knife do YOU like?
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    Posted: February 23 2007 at 16:51
I love the live version, more energy, more natural, IMHO
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Steve Hackett was very inspired by Robert Fripp his agressive guitarwork and he put a lot of that in the The Knife live solo, in my opinion this element upgraded the live version to a superior level in comparison with the studio version. Listening to Anthony Phillips I have always had the idea that he was a good acoustic guitarist who also played some electric guitar while Hackett was a classically trained guitarist who had an amazing development as a electric guitar player, so creative and adventurous Clap
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Originally posted by Chus Chus wrote:

Originally posted by salmacis salmacis wrote:

I agree with Erik; it's widely perceived that Hackett had the biggest contribution to the band's more symphonic sound, he urged them to buy a mellotron, for example. That symphonic grandeur left with him, despite ATTWT and Duke still being excellent albums.

However, I still prefer the Trespass version. I think Anthony Phillips' guitar solo is brilliant and makes me forgive the weak drumming of John Mayhew.
 
 I think not, they used a lot of mellotron in Trespass... careful if not more than in NC.... and I quite like Anthony Phillips solo a bit more.. Hackett used too much pull-offs and hammer-ons on his that I found unappealing for Genesis
 
Well then, where? The only songs that spring to mind with mellotron on for Trespass are on Stagnation and Visions Of Angels, which if you had read later on in the thread I had actually said in the first place.Confused
 
On Nursery Cryme it's on Return Of The Giant Hogweed, Seven Stones and The Fountain Of Salmacis...3 songs to 2 songs....that's certainly less, considering Stagnation uses it fleetingly (most prominently in the climax) and Visions Of Angels only in the instrumental section. It's nowhere to be heard on Looking For Someone, White Mountain, Dusk or The Knife that I know of. In what way does that equate to mellotron being used 'more' on Trespass??
 
And for further clarification, read this Wikipedia article on Nursery Cryme- ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nursery_Cryme) it clearly says they BOUGHT THEIR OWN mellotron- again, I had already said in this thread that the one on Trespass may well have been on loan from the studio.Ouch
 
And to add further insult to injury, I said I like Phillips solo more on The Knife too!
 
I'm not sure if it's as simple as the live version being 'more metal'- I'm a big 70s/early 80s metal fan and I still prefer the studio version, despite its flaws. Always have done, but to each their own.Smile
 


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"The Knife" is about the only live track of Genesis worth listening to; it exceeeds the original by far. I really don`t understand what people find in the Phillips solo; the solo of Hackett is a lot more original and much more fitting for the song.
I am not the biggest fan of  "Trespass" anyway; the drumming is uninspired, in my opinion, and Phillips lead guitar does not convince me either. For me the first real Genesis album is "Nursery Cryme". The only song on "Trespass" I have a weak spot for is "White Mountain". "The Knife" in the studio version shows potential, but this potential was only developed in the live version. I can understand though why people prefer the studio version to the live version; the live version is probably a bit too much on the metal side for a lot of Genesis fans.


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I don't like live albums very much, so "original" for me.
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I think the only bad thing Hackett did with Genesis was ruin ANt Philips Guitar solo on the knife and not play it the way ant did when he played live
my favorite guitar solo besides firth of fifth
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Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

I am really surprised the rather half-baked and energy-lacking studio version seems to be winning at the moment (though the margin by which the studio version leads is by no means decisive yet). Hackett's solo is harmonically far more interesting than that of Philips and much more fitting for the song. the few acoustical gimmicks of the studio version are interesting, but not enough to make me vote for it. the live version of "The Knife" is the closest Genesis ever came to metal, by the way.
I would have expected the live version to be a clear winner. my vote definitely goes to it. too bad there are not more votes with explanations though
 
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The studio version has a much chunkier feel to it...especially the organ sound. Its tremendously atmospheric as well. If anything the live version is overcookedWink
 
Interestingly as a peice of music it was inspired by The Nice 'Rondo'. Similar comparisons can be made between The Nice doing Rondo (more solid) and ELP's later versions (busier/more energetic) .Again I think I prefer the original studio version in that case as well.Big%20smile
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The Live version was the first version I heard of The Knife. The Trespass version just doesn't have the power (edge)that a song about a revolution should have due mainly to Ant and JM's weaker contributions.
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Originally posted by salmacis salmacis wrote:

I agree with Erik; it's widely perceived that Hackett had the biggest contribution to the band's more symphonic sound, he urged them to buy a mellotron, for example. That symphonic grandeur left with him, despite ATTWT and Duke still being excellent albums.

However, I still prefer the Trespass version. I think Anthony Phillips' guitar solo is brilliant and makes me forgive the weak drumming of John Mayhew.
 
 I think not, they used a lot of mellotron in Trespass... careful if not more than in NC.... and I quite like Anthony Phillips solo a bit more.. Hackett used too much pull-offs and hammer-ons on his that I found unappealing for Genesis
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Originally posted by Zargus Zargus wrote:

The studio is my favorite, i get bored by the live version dno why.

the same happens to me with the studio version lol


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The studio is my favorite, i get bored by the live version dno why.
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Live version for me too although the studio version has such a subtle sound to it that I like that too.  Depends on my mood.  Tresspass was Genesis first foray into prog and these guys were like 19 when they did it.  Some of the material while of course not as strong as later compositions were striking in the melodies and harmonies they used.  John Mayhew was too understated as a drummer of course for the drama the music effected but stil a lot to be admired on that album. 
 
As for seeing them live the performance Genesis gave you can never be done justice on a album.  They were something to see and hear and your emotions would rush along with the songs as they ebbed and flowed. I could care less if Tony improvised his solos or not if you ever saw One For the Vine performed live you really were just stunned afterwards.   I am really tempted to buy a ticket for the latest tours just to see if there is still some of that magic left.


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somewhat surprised...  not that I waste much time talking about Genesis.. but it seemed many I talked to loved the live version better.. oh well

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the studio version
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Going with the good 'ol original
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I hate to resort to this, but the version on Live... It just kicks ass. It is raw, powerful, and Steve really lights the place on fire. It's the most energy in a Genesis song that I've heard (except maybe the performance of "The Musical Box" right before it!). Live was my introduction to the band, so maybe I'm biased...
 
And as for Led Zepp being the best live band ever? I don't think so. It's a tie between The Who & the Grateful Dead.
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Close call, but I'll go with the live version, its just so full of energy and really well performed.
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Well, Firepuck, I have seen The Musical Box: the SEBTP tour is also my favorite, it blends the best of the magical Nursery Cryme and Foxtrot era with the best of the SEBTP album and ... Hackett shines with his unique style: volume-pedal, bending the strings, hammering down, lots of emotion because of his blues-background and a harder-edged side that is so compelling during the solo on The Knife live. To me the difference sounds as nice prog-folk on the studio version and dynamic symphonic prog on the live version Clap
 
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I went for the 'walk in the park' version....Wink
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