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    Posted: January 02 2008 at 07:13
Again, I don't recall much of their music, and I remind once more that I have no vote in this respect... (unless the band is considered for Psyche/Space discography, which is clearly out of the question Wink)
The line-up is strong enough, but pretending to be "devil's advocate", I'll just mention one analogy: if we rely on the logic that "musicians who played in prog bands must be included in prog-related", we'll end up bringing in names such as Todd Rundgren, or worse, Phil Collins LOL... (not to mention the fact that George Michael is already here, albeit in only one or two releases Wink)
Notwithstanding my counter-analogy above, I do believe that Karthago must be evaluated on its own merits, to see if they could fit into any prog genre or related based on these merits. These days I'll give a listen to the aforementioned albums, if I can... (in the end, Philippe is much more competent & authoritative than I am to give the final decision, and I guess he already knows Karthago)

P.S. Epitaph's inclusion should seriously be considered, though... or should I write a query to the heavy prog team Big%20smile?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 02 2008 at 05:52
Originally posted by Bilek Bilek wrote:

I listened to some of their albums a couple of years ago; but they hadn't sounded much prog (let alone "kraut") to me back then... Honestly, I think Epitaph deserves a better place in kraut discography (among the names mentioned in the biography above, of course, excluding the bands which are already rightfully here Wink)

I might give another listen these days, but then, I'm not even a member of kraut team, thus have no vote in this respect Tongue... just my two cents here...


Happy new year everyone

I admit they would better fit under "prog-related". but I think they definitely belong there. or isn't the fact that three well known prog musicians played in it enough to create a "relation"?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 02 2008 at 02:10
I listened to some of their albums a couple of years ago; but they hadn't sounded much prog (let alone "kraut") to me back then... Honestly, I think Epitaph deserves a better place in kraut discography (among the names mentioned in the biography above, of course, excluding the bands which are already rightfully here Wink)

I might give another listen these days, but then, I'm not even a member of kraut team, thus have no vote in this respect Tongue... just my two cents here...


Happy new year everyone
Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret:
Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 01 2008 at 06:46
I suggest the band Karthago. With Ingo Bischof on keyboards (Kraan, Guru Guru) and Gerald Luciano Hartwig (Embryo, Guru Guru, the band of Roman Bunka) and later Glenn Cornick (Jethro Tull) on bass they have at least three established prog musicians in their line-up. Here some information about them:

Karthago

Karthago were founded in Berlin by Joey Albrecht (guitar, vocals, originally from Hannover) and Gerald Luciano Hartwig (bass). Since 1968, they had performed together in clubs as the duo Blues Machine. In 1970, they engaged the Bolivian percussionist Thomas Goldschmitt (mainly hand percussion) and soon landed a recording contract with BASF. Just a month before the recordings of their first album began, two additional members were added to their line-up: Ingo Bischof (keyboards) and Wolfgang Brock (drums). "Karthago" was recorded in October 1971 at Audio Tonstudio, Berlin with Dieter Zimmermann producing and Stan Regal engineering. It was released in a spectacular, inventive and expensive six-part fold-out cover with several die cuts! Certainly a lavish package, recalling the multi-coloured and psychedelic Santana album designs - but actually outdoing diem! Karthago's sound was graced with excellent heavy guitar work and the funky, gutsy vocals of J. Albrecht, recalling the Jimi Hendrix Experience and the heavy progressive funk band Funkadelic. The best tracks in this style were "Why Don't You Stop Buggin' Me Babe" and "String Rambler". Others, like the catchy little instrumental "Nos Vamos", had a more distinct Latin character, very much like early Santana. This is a very underrated album! Few other German bands recorded music in this particular style.

More Santana-esque instrumental work was present on "Second Step", recorded at Windrose Dumont Time, Hamburg, May 1973, with C. & M. Hudalla producing. This was much more of a joint group effort, balanced between jazzy keyboards, heavy guitars and South American rhythms. Most of the material was great, but Ingo Bischof's compositions were a bit out of place - his songs were almost singer-songwriter type of ballads! Original drummer W. Brock had left for The Rattles in February 1973 and was replaced by Norbert 'Panzer' Lehmann on this album. Then within months Lehmann departed to the heavy progressive band Epitaph. Into Karthago came Konstatin Bommarius (ex-2066 & Then, Abacus). The bass player Gerald Luciano Hartwig also left - in the Summer of 1974. His replacement was something of a sensation at the time - Glenn Cornick (ex-Jethro Tull, Wild Turkey) joined the band in October 1974. A revamped five-piece Karthago (now comprising Albrecht, Bischof, Cornick, Goldschmitt and Bommarius) signed with Bacillus and relocated to Oxford, England, in November 1974, where they recorded "Rock'n'Roll Testament" in the Chipping Norton Studios. The producer of this album was Peter Hauke, manager of the Bacillus label. About the same time, another of his German signings, Nine Days' Wonder, recorded in England, although his British signing Nektar recorded in Germany for years! Karthago's new album did quite well and many people consider it to be their best. It marked a change of style towards a smooth, well-produced rock with some minor symphonic touches. Karthago had become another purveyor of the characteristic 'Bacillus rock' - a trademark of Peter Hauke and Dieter Dierks. Concerts in Berlin and Hamburg in January 1976 were recorded and released as the double album "Live At The Roxy" (1976). As Glenn Cornick had quit the group, Gerald Hartwig was now back in action again. Albrecht, Bischof and Goldschmitt were also helped by Reinhard Bopp (guitar, vocals, ex-Hardcake Special) and Ringo Funk (drums, ex-Atlantis, ex-Jeronimo). This record literally became the 'Karthago testament', as the group disbanded in the Spring of 1976. However, Albrecht later assembled Ringo Funk, Chico de los Reyes (piano, vocals), Jochen Roth (guitar) and Ernst Keinz (bass) in the studio in the Summer of 1977 for the forgettable "Love Is A Cake" - a commercial disco, pop - rock disaster!

Albums:

Karthago 1971 BASF 20 21118-5
Second Step 1973 BASF 20 2178-0
Rock'n'Roll Testament 1974 Bacillus 19201
Live at the Roxy 1976 Bacillus BDA 7506
Love Is A Cake 1977 Crystal 64CRY 32769
Some information about their albums:

Karthago (1971)

Joey Albrecht - guitar, vocals
Ingo Bischof - keyboards
Gerald Luciano Hartwig - bass
Wolfgang Brock - drums
Thomas Goldschmidt - percussion


1. String Rambler
2. I Don't Live Tomorrow
3. But I Know
4. Morning Surprise
5. I Give You Everything You Want
6. I Know What You Can Do My Babe
7. Why Don'y You Stop Buggin' Me
8. Black Fire
9. Nos Vamos


Second Step (1973)

Joey Albrecht - guitar, vocals
Ingo Bischof - keyboards
Gerald Luciano Hartwig - bass
Wolfgang Brock - drums
Thomas Goldschmidt - percussion


Second%20Step

1. Pacemaker
2. I Don't Care
3. Crossword & Intermissions
4. Don't Send Me Your Money
5. Wild River
6. Lamento Juvenil
7. California Gigging
8. Oberbaum Bridge
9. Johnny B. Goode
10. Going Down


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Edited by BaldFriede - January 01 2008 at 07:38


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