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    Posted: May 11 2010 at 18:21
Originally posted by RoyFairbank RoyFairbank wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by jampa17 jampa17 wrote:

Originally posted by cobb2 cobb2 wrote:

Should have stuck with the original term Art Rock
 
Since you have talked a lot about the current topic I have to step on this kind of "terms"...
 
Again, music is art. rock is music. Then, that concept of "Art Rock" is basically "art-art"... why people uses that term... is not accurate, because most of the different genres and sub genres are actually art, so, please, stop saying "Art Rock" because rock have always been Art... of course, with a little exceptions but you get what I mean...
Music is divided into three ... folk music, art music and popular music. Art Music is generally accepted to the "serious" or "erudite" side of music, for example the kind of music that is commonly known as Classical Music. Rock and Jazz are forms of Popular Music, but when it gets "serious" and technical, some forms of Jazz are considered to be Art Music. In musicologist circles Rock music has not achived that status, but the term Art Rock has been used to bridge the gap between Popular Music and Art Music.


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Yes but obviously Prog is so heavily indebted to Popular Music - and we are talking Pop - that it is almost incapable of being truly Art Music. Even what I consider to be the finest Prog- Pink Floyd, Yes, Genesis.... they are based overwhelming or at least indirectly in the best cases- in pop music. Some things sound a little like classical symphonies, Yes in the mid 70s, for example, but this isn't necessarily the main point of Prog Rock. Prog Rock is mean't to build on pop, challenge it, but it is not a completely different type of music. AOR for instance, is a complete degeneration of Classic Rock back to Pop.  On th other hand, who wants to listen to noise collages and experimental jazz-like or lyricless symphonic bullsh*t? Its related to Prog, sure, but its not the vanguard of Prog music, and couldn't be. You can't have completely non-pop based Prog, at that point it is just Avant-Garde.
Kind of. Avant Garde (such as Stockhausen and John Cage) was never Pop and isn't derived from Popular Music - it is pure Art Music. When Prog Rock gets all Avant Garde it is coming from the Rock direction and incorporating some avant garde elements, but it still has to be Rock to be considered Avant Garde Prog on this site at least.  (vanguard and avant garde mean the same thing)
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Points: 1072 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 11 2010 at 18:13
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by jampa17 jampa17 wrote:

Originally posted by cobb2 cobb2 wrote:

Should have stuck with the original term Art Rock
 
Since you have talked a lot about the current topic I have to step on this kind of "terms"...
 
Again, music is art. rock is music. Then, that concept of "Art Rock" is basically "art-art"... why people uses that term... is not accurate, because most of the different genres and sub genres are actually art, so, please, stop saying "Art Rock" because rock have always been Art... of course, with a little exceptions but you get what I mean...
Music is divided into three ... folk music, art music and popular music. Art Music is generally accepted to the "serious" or "erudite" side of music, for example the kind of music that is commonly known as Classical Music. Rock and Jazz are forms of Popular Music, but when it gets "serious" and technical, some forms of Jazz are considered to be Art Music. In musicologist circles Rock music has not achived that status, but the term Art Rock has been used to bridge the gap between Popular Music and Art Music.


hmmm... that was greatThumbs Up

Yes but obviously Prog is so heavily indebted to Popular Music - and we are talking Pop - that it is almost incapable of being truly Art Music. Even what I consider to be the finest Prog- Pink Floyd, Yes, Genesis.... they are based overwhelming or at least indirectly in the best cases- in pop music. Some things sound a little like classical symphonies, Yes in the mid 70s, for example, but this isn't necessarily the main point of Prog Rock. Prog Rock is mean't to build on pop, challenge it, but it is not a completely different type of music. AOR for instance, is a complete degeneration of Classic Rock back to Pop.  On th other hand, who wants to listen to noise collages and experimental jazz-like or lyricless symphonic bullsh*t? Its related to Prog, sure, but its not the vanguard of Prog music, and couldn't be. You can't have completely non-pop based Prog, at that point it is just Avant-Garde.
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Originally posted by jampa17 jampa17 wrote:

Originally posted by cobb2 cobb2 wrote:

Should have stuck with the original term Art Rock
 
Since you have talked a lot about the current topic I have to step on this kind of "terms"...
 
Again, music is art. rock is music. Then, that concept of "Art Rock" is basically "art-art"... why people uses that term... is not accurate, because most of the different genres and sub genres are actually art, so, please, stop saying "Art Rock" because rock have always been Art... of course, with a little exceptions but you get what I mean...
Music is divided into three ... folk music, art music and popular music. Art Music is generally accepted to the "serious" or "erudite" side of music, for example the kind of music that is commonly known as Classical Music. Rock and Jazz are forms of Popular Music, but when it gets "serious" and technical, some forms of Jazz are considered to be Art Music. In musicologist circles Rock music has not achived that status, but the term Art Rock has been used to bridge the gap between Popular Music and Art Music.
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I agree with Ivan as AOR was an industry term to describe the FM/AM format difference.  It was also a major reason for the heavy experimentation that went on in the late 60's to early 70's that was progressive rock's best friend.  It created an outlet for the longer songs to be heard. It wasn't until the ratings shifted sharply from AM to FM that radio execs decided to tighten up the format in order to get maximum advertising dollars.  This was done in full agreement with the labels in order for them to pigeon hole artists into strict formats. By 1975 the landscape had changed dramatically here in the States from what it was in the late 60's..   


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Originally posted by cobb2 cobb2 wrote:

Should have stuck with the original term Art Rock
 
Since you have talked a lot about the current topic I have to step on this kind of "terms"...
 
Again, music is art. rock is music. Then, that concept of "Art Rock" is basically "art-art"... why people uses that term... is not accurate, because most of the different genres and sub genres are actually art, so, please, stop saying "Art Rock" because rock have always been Art... of course, with a little exceptions but you get what I mean...
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Originally posted by cdkimpan cdkimpan wrote:

Hi everyone please visit my website at http://cdkimpan.webs.com/ , there you will find perhaps one of the most in-dept analysis of the meaning of AOR on the net.
Kim
 
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Hi everyone please visit my website at http://cdkimpan.webs.com/ , there you will find perhaps one of the most in-dept analysis of the meaning of AOR on the net.
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Points: 2720 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 04 2010 at 09:18
I love this discussion. It's like watching a road accident.

The person shouting the loudest wins the argument.

Personally, I always knew it as Adult Oriented Rock, Album Oriented Radio just seems a weird concept whereas Album Oriented Rock also makes sense, probably more than the one I'm aquainted with.

Anyway, it doesn't mean I'm right, it's just what I've always heard.
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Probably not very helpful, but as long as I have been tramping the streets of the great UK, it was always held to be Adult Orientated Rock.

The meaning - well, it's in the name - not for kiddiesWink
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I think it means "American Only Radio." None of those British pork burger bands allowed.
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I have no idea what AOR meant originally.  What it became to connote, here in the U.S., was radio-/listener- friendly rock.  I'm talking late-70's/early-80's.  The music, well it was Journey, Styx, Eagles, and yes Kansas and REO Speedwagon.  Might as well add Heart to the list.  On a good day they'd throw in some ELP, Pink Floyd, and Rush, but always the songs less likely to offend the ears of yer average listener.  Which is to say I'd dial it in and get Money, but never Pigs. 
 
If you go back to the early FM days and say it means Album Oriented Rock, well then even Frank Zappa is AOR, which I think is not what it has come to mean.
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Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Simple: if you want me to agree to disagree then stop saying that I am misusing the acronym. Stern Smile
 
What's teh problem disagreing?
 
I would never believe Adult Oriented Rock is correct, I believe people read the acronym and created a different term that doesn't ffit the purpose it was created for.
 
But if you believe adult is OK, then none of us will convince the other.
 
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I have no problem with disagreeing, I have a problem with we'll agree to disagree, but I am right type statements. If you agree to disagree then you have to give the opponent's view equal weight; To agree to disagree you don't have to accept my argument, but you do have to tolerate it; To agree to disagree you cannot then go on to further qualify your position -  that's like calling a time-out then stealing a home-run (or whatever the appropriate sporting analogy is).
 
Ah, that's where we differ - I'm not trying to convince you of anything - just presenting the facts as they are, that the phrase exists in all three forms.
 
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Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

I think AOR means "Analog Original Recordings" in other words, anything that was originally recorded on analog tape is considered AOR.

Did you make this up just now to screw with us?



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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Simple: if you want me to agree to disagree then stop saying that I am misusing the acronym. Stern Smile
 
What's teh problem disagreing?
 
I would never believe Adult Oriented Rock is correct, I believe people read the acronym and created a different term that doesn't ffit the purpose it was created for.
 
But if you believe adult is OK, then none of us will convince the other.
 
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How about a-holes own radio?
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 Ii believe that current thinking is that AOR is used to describe Any Old Rubbish (Otherwise known as Pork Burger or Bacon Burger in Europe Wink)

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Originally posted by clarke2001 clarke2001 wrote:

AOR stands for 'AOR oriented rock'.Tongue


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AOR stands for 'AOR oriented rock'.Tongue
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Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

If it is used in broadcasting then it refers to a format of radio and not a style of music (as per the OP original question) - just as Progressive rock Radio format should not be confused with Progressive Rock.
 
 
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Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

 
As a fact AOR was used botg as Album oriented Rock and Album Oriented Radio.
...and as Adult Oriented Rock.
 
It's really is that simple - if people knew it as that in the 70s and if people know it as that today, then that's what it was. One acronym and three variants on its meaning.
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

 
I belñieve the correct term for Adult Oriented Rock is Adult Contemporary.............But st
Then that would be an error and a travesty - AC artists like The Commodores, Simply Red and Celine Dion would never be called Adult Oriented Rock.
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

 
 
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

You can't change history - since it was known as Adult Oriented Rock in the UK and Europe in the mid-70s then that is what it was known as in the 70s in the UK and Europe, regardless of what it meant in the USA or what it meant in the 80s, 90s and beyond. The meaning may have changed as it crossed the Atlantic but that is not misuse - quite the contrary - we didn't have masses of FM radio stations broadcasting album tracks like the USA, (and still don't), so its meaning over here could only refer to the bands themselves and not the radio stations that played their music.
Then it woulld be Album Oriented Rock.
...or Adult Oriented Rock.
 
I don't understand why you don't like the idea that people can have a different explanation of the acronym and apply it to the same list bands.
 
If I made up some fictious meaning like American Oriented Rock then that would be wrong, but Adult Oriented Rock is not made up, it is a term that was/is in common usage (even some people in the USA use it).
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

 
We have to agree to disagree in his case, I still believe Adult Oriented Rock is a misuse of the acronym.
 
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Simple: if you want me to agree to disagree then stop saying that I am misusing the acronym. Stern Smile


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Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

I think AOR means "Analog Original Recordings" in other words, anything that was originally recorded on analog tape is considered AOR.

Did you make this up just now to screw with us? I've never heard that before. The typical notation for analogue recordings is ADD (vs. DDD).

I've always found the variations in AOR to be confusing as well. I just use it as a slur and don't think too hard. ;-)
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