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Topic: Tony Williams vs. Carl Palmer Posted: May 08 2010 at 15:33 |
Williams, no doubt.
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Posted: May 08 2010 at 15:16 |
Not sure it's fair to compare a jazz drummer and a rock drummer.
Anyway, it's obvious that Tony should win this poll.
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Posted: May 08 2010 at 14:48 |
I respect both considerably, but Tony Williams is an amazing drummer who has had such an impact and got my vote not surprisingly. It's surprises me how often Tony Williams is left off greatest drummer polls here.
harmonium.ro wrote:
Logan wrote:
^ Much as I love Top (and Paganotti), I won't.
SaltyJon wrote:
Tony for me. Who are you going to be putting up against Greg Lake next?
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You figured out my cunning plan! I'd really like to put Charles Mingus up against Greg Lake (two very different kinds of bassists), but I don't think I will. Dave Holland for his double-bass work might be cool too. Definitely not Jaco Pastorius, though at least he'd have a chance, and Miroslav Vitous would be a nice choice. I lean towards doing Buster Williams or Ron Carter (they formed a two-bass group at one time).
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I was thinking of answering Jon's question with Miroslav Vitous before I read your post He would be a good third element of this grand scheme because just like Herbie and Tony he was a jazz musician involved in important, seminal Fusion projects. But he's not as famous and widely known like the other two.
I have yet to hear any music featuring Tony Williams, so I won't vote. What would a Hancock-Vitous-Williams trio would have sounded like?
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He would, and your reasoning is sound. so it will be Miroslav Vitous. And since, as well as other work with Hancock. Hancock performed on his "solo" debut (and I started these with Hancock), and that's a much liked by me album, that's an added plus. A Herbie Hancock, Mirolslav Vitous, Tony and Buster Williams quartet would be very cool (add John Williams -- the guitarist - for a quintet), and add another Herbie, Herbie Mann to the line-up and it would be even better.
Dellinger wrote:
Logan wrote:
^ Much as I love Top (and Paganotti), I won't.
SaltyJon wrote:
Tony
for me. Who are you going to be putting up against Greg Lake next?
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I'd really like to put Charles Mingus up against Greg Lake (two very
different kinds of bassists), but I don't think I will. Dave Holland
for his double-bass work might be cool too. Definitely not Jaco
Pastorius, though at least he'd have a chance, and Miroslav Vitous
would be a nice choice. I lean towards doing Buster Williams or Ron
Carter (they formed a two-bass group at one time). |
But then you would have to do 2 polls for Lake, one for the bass and another one for the vocals. |
Fair point, I did consider that. Perhaps I could do it as preferred composer instead, or based on all around musical talent -- rather than just bass-work, one could take everything musical into consideration. Of course there are other bassists who sing, but none I can think of that would fit the themes of the poll that well.
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Posted: May 07 2010 at 12:31 |
Tony Williams. One of my many favorite drummers.
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Posted: May 07 2010 at 12:26 |
Tony Williams gets my vote for sure
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Posted: May 07 2010 at 05:18 |
Both great players but the first time I heard Tony William's I was blown away so he gets my vote.
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Posted: May 07 2010 at 04:33 |
deafmoon wrote:
Really interesting pit here.
Carl is classically trained and could play orchestral percussion. Tony studied piano and composition and the last 7 albums of his career were absolutely tremendous. Not only from a drumming standpoint, but from a composition standpoint of the music as well.
Carl Palmer was a rudimental fanatic and that precison showed in his playing.
Tony was also a rudimental master and showcased these building blocks with unbelievable skill. His dynamics with the rudiments was staggerring. Flams, effortless singles and doubles, and double and triple paradiddles that he worked into time patterns between all four limbs.
He was also an innovator on the hi hat in time as well. No one before Tony was clamoring straight eights in Jazz before him.
Tony was young, impressionistic, brash and freakin' loud! And that's why he was Miles Davis drummer at the age of 17. He blew doors down. He played really big drums after his first Lifetime career with John McLaughlin and Jack Bruce. He first introduced my ears to Allan Holdsworth back in 1976. And he was the only drummer I ever heard compliment Cecil Taylor's wild antics on the piano to a fevered frenzy of complexity. Check out Eris on Joy Of Flying.
Carl was an early hero of mine and was admired by many, many musicians across all genres. Buddy Rich even stated that he thought Carl Palmer was a special drummer admiring him for his speed, comping ability and taste.
But Carl just wasn't Tony Williams. In fact no one ever was or ever will be. He was One Of A Kind. |
I couldn't have put it better myself, so I won't. Tony Williams.
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Posted: May 06 2010 at 22:32 |
I go to Tony Williams as a result.
Especially, it is felt that the album of Lifetime is good.
Or, competing with Jan Hammer was a good performance.
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Posted: May 06 2010 at 22:32 |
Oh him without a doubt then
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Posted: May 06 2010 at 22:27 |
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is Tony Williams the one who played with Miles Davis? |
Yup
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Posted: May 06 2010 at 22:24 |
is Tony Williams the one who played with Miles Davis?
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Posted: May 06 2010 at 22:22 |
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Posted: May 06 2010 at 20:29 |
Really interesting pit here.
Carl is classically trained and could play orchestral percussion. Tony studied piano and composition and the last 7 albums of his career were absolutely tremendous. Not only from a drumming standpoint, but from a composition standpoint of the music as well.
Carl Palmer was a rudimental fanatic and that precison showed in his playing.
Tony was also a rudimental master and showcased these building blocks with unbelievable skill. His dynamics with the rudiments was staggerring. Flams, effortless singles and doubles, and double and triple paradiddles that he worked into time patterns between all four limbs.
He was also an innovator on the hi hat in time as well. No one before Tony was clamoring straight eights in Jazz before him.
Tony was young, impressionistic, brash and freakin' loud! And that's why he was Miles Davis drummer at the age of 17. He blew doors down. He played really big drums after his first Lifetime career with John McLaughlin and Jack Bruce. He first introduced my ears to Allan Holdsworth back in 1976. And he was the only drummer I ever heard compliment Cecil Taylor's wild antics on the piano to a fevered frenzy of complexity. Check out Eris on Joy Of Flying.
Carl was an early hero of mine and was admired by many, many musicians across all genres. Buddy Rich even stated that he thought Carl Palmer was a special drummer admiring him for his speed, comping ability and taste.
But Carl just wasn't Tony Williams. In fact no one ever was or ever will be. He was One Of A Kind.
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Posted: May 06 2010 at 17:10 |
Hey .....no fair! This was a very difficult one....Tony is amazing performer and left a true mark on jazz drumming.....I just had to pick Carl though, I think he is so under appreciated but this poll brings much awareness to Carl's musicianship.
Nice one....FINALLY!
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Posted: May 06 2010 at 16:42 |
Master Tony.....
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Posted: May 06 2010 at 16:14 |
Palmer
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Posted: May 06 2010 at 15:26 |
clotomic wrote:
I like Tony Williams. I have several albums of him. It's great ... but Carl is Carl friend ... no more! |
How many albums do you have from Tony??
I'm eager to know
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Posted: May 06 2010 at 15:25 |
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Posted: May 06 2010 at 15:22 |
^ Much as I love Top (and Paganotti), I won't.
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You figured out my cunning plan! I'd really like to put Charles Mingus up against Greg Lake (two very different kinds of bassists), but I don't think I will. Dave Holland for his double-bass work might be cool too. Definitely not Jaco Pastorius, though at least he'd have a chance, and Miroslav Vitous would be a nice choice. I lean towards doing Buster Williams or Ron Carter (they formed a two-bass group at one time).
Edited by Logan - May 06 2010 at 15:24
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