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Poll Question: Your favourite?
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    Posted: July 12 2011 at 06:26

Wow, over 100 votes and they are quite evenly distributed.

Miles is the expected winner but Coltrane, McLaughlin, Mingus and Hancock have respectfully high scores.

I personally would have wanted Brubeck to go further, but if there's one thing I've learned from this poll, it is that I'm going to buy The Black Saint and the Sinner Lady immediately!


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Herbie Hancock because the Crossing album is fantastic
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Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

Originally posted by thehallway thehallway wrote:

Ravel also belongs to this category, while the more obvious jazzers that you and others have mentioned probably also belong in the poll, but I tried to convey a bit of variety - people from all stages of jazz's history.
 
A biography of Bix Beiderbeck published in the mid 70's, relates Bix Beiderbeck going to Ravel (on a visit to the USA - was he guest conductor of the Chicago Symph???) ) to get some lessons in composition. However, Ravel knew Beiderbeck's music and wanted to know more about  jazz - so with limited time a handful of lessons went  both ways. I'm trying to remember the chronology, but I think Beiderbeck had recorded his composition In A  Mist on piano (remember BB was best known for the cornet)  which apparently is Ravel-like in places:
 
 
which attracted Ravel in the first place - and I think then you hear echoes of Beiderbeck in Ravel's subsequent Piano Concerto For The Left Hand. (This chronology needs checking).

That's really interesting...... had anybody played me that video without a title, I certainly would not have guessed it was Beiderbeck!

Ravel's two piano concertos are both somewhat jazzy, and I guess this explains why. I totally adore the one in G Major (for the record, its for two hands!).   The other one...... I heard that it was written for the one-armed brother of the Austrian philosopher Ludwig Wittgenstein,while his other three brothers all committed suicide. History, eh?


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Originally posted by thehallway thehallway wrote:

Ravel also belongs to this category, while the more obvious jazzers that you and others have mentioned probably also belong in the poll, but I tried to convey a bit of variety - people from all stages of jazz's history.
 
A biography of Bix Beiderbeck published in the mid 70's, relates Bix Beiderbeck going to Ravel (on a visit to the USA - was he guest conductor of the Chicago Symph???) ) to get some lessons in composition. However, Ravel knew Beiderbeck's music and wanted to know more about  jazz - so with limited time a handful of lessons went  both ways. I'm trying to remember the chronology, but I think Beiderbeck had recorded his composition In A  Mist on piano (remember BB was best known for the cornet)  which apparently is Ravel-like in places:
 
 
which attracted Ravel in the first place - and I think then you hear echoes of Beiderbeck in Ravel's subsequent Piano Concerto For The Left Hand. (This chronology needs checking).
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Originally posted by thehallway thehallway wrote:

They are just personalities who, in my eyes, were somewhat essential to the development of jazz as a genre. Perhaps they are not "jazz giants" per se, but giants nonetheless, who were crucial to jazz (in the same way we could call the Beatles giants who helped kick-start progressive rock). Ravel also belongs to this category, while the more obvious jazzers that you and others have mentioned probably also belong in the poll, but I tried to convey a bit of variety - people from all stages of jazz's history.

I think the people that will always get the most votes are there, in any case. And because the poll was created by one person, me, with limited experiences and opinions, it's obviously difficult to be objective about these things. 

 
Fair enough and thanks for taking the time to explain where you're coming from. Too often we get polls (which admittedly should be taken as fun and not too seriously) , which don't get such clear explanations, leaving some of us scratching our heads wrt logic.
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what the %&#! is a scrobble?


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^We surely can´t have that! One from me as well - just for the live record cut at Newport Festival ´56. Love the way you can hear the crowd going YEAH in the back - like they were indeed right out of Kerouac´s On the Road.
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I gave Duke Ellington another vote because he only had 3 Cry
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Oh yeah - one for Monk too - my favorite piano boxer of all timeHeart It´s not what you play, but how you play it.
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Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

One for Mingus today. Was listening to Pithecanthropus Erectus this morning with the rain hammering away outside. Pure bliss.


I love that album.  It's pretty much totally revolutionary, I can't think of an earlier example of post-bop at all.

Yep it´s a beauty, and still stands as strong today as it did then. This thread has really sparked my love for old school jazz, and in fact I am gonna put Sonny Rollins - Saxophone Colossus on right now. I actually heard P. Erectus thrice in a row this morning - it was that good!


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Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

One for Mingus today. Was listening to Pithecanthropus Erectus this morning with the rain hammering away outside. Pure bliss.


I love that album.  It's pretty much totally revolutionary, I can't think of an earlier example of post-bop at all.
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One for Mingus today. Was listening to Pithecanthropus Erectus this morning with the rain hammering away outside. Pure bliss.
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Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

Originally posted by thehallway thehallway wrote:

Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

Benny Goodman? - who first brought jazz first to Carnegie Hall in January 1938 - definitely ranks high over Scott Joplin, who had been largely forgetten until Joshua Rifkin's ragtime recordings of Joplin compositions, popularised in part as the OST of the Sting movie. And George Gershwin surely doesn't belong as much as Maurice Ravel doesn't - but nevertheless apparently took lessons in jazz from Bix Beiderbeck!!! - and Paul Whiteman (the so-called King Of Jazz) is a common link

Sorry I couldn't include everyone......

 
I appreciate that and the limitations set here in PA - however, with examples of Gershwin and Joplin are we are given musicians best known as composers, with very limited amount recorded performance to demonstrate their ability and range of jazz playing (cf. Miles Davis).

They are just personalities who, in my eyes, were somewhat essential to the development of jazz as a genre. Perhaps they are not "jazz giants" per se, but giants nonetheless, who were crucial to jazz (in the same way we could call the Beatles giants who helped kick-start progressive rock). Ravel also belongs to this category, while the more obvious jazzers that you and others have mentioned probably also belong in the poll, but I tried to convey a bit of variety - people from all stages of jazz's history.

I think the people that will always get the most votes are there, in any case. And because the poll was created by one person, me, with limited experiences and opinions, it's obviously difficult to be objective about these things. 


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Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Originally posted by thehallway thehallway wrote:

Strange how, on the internet, Prog is the most popular genre!
No, metal, electronica, and indie rock are all far more popular than prog on the internet. Funeral by The Arcade Fire has more 2 million more scrobbles than all of King Crimson, Slayer has about 2.8 times as many scrobbles as Jethro Tull, and Cross by Justice has about 5 times as many scrobbles as all of Van Der Graaf Generator. That's not entirely reflective, as Porcupine Tree have 47 million scrobbles, which is as much as Yes, Jethro Tull, and Genesis put together, but you get the idea. Every forum on the internet has a metal thread, but you won't find many hardcore prog fans (although most serious rock/metal fans know about and enjoy at least a little prog).

I was only talking in terms of the three forums we were discussing.

And what the %&#! is a scrobble?


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Originally posted by thehallway thehallway wrote:

Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

Benny Goodman? - who first brought jazz first to Carnegie Hall in January 1938 - definitely ranks high over Scott Joplin, who had been largely forgetten until Joshua Rifkin's ragtime recordings of Joplin compositions, popularised in part as the OST of the Sting movie. And George Gershwin surely doesn't belong as much as Maurice Ravel doesn't - but nevertheless apparently took lessons in jazz from Bix Beiderbeck!!! - and Paul Whiteman (the so-called King Of Jazz) is a common link

Sorry I couldn't include everyone......

 
I appreciate that and the limitations set here in PA - however, with examples of Gershwin and Joplin are we are given musicians best known as composers, with very limited amount recorded performance to demonstrate their ability and range of jazz playing (cf. Miles Davis).
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Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Originally posted by thehallway thehallway wrote:

Strange how, on the internet, Prog is the most popular genre!
No, metal, electronica, and indie rock are all far more popular than prog on the internet. Funeral by The Arcade Fire has more 2 million more scrobbles than all of King Crimson, Slayer has about 2.8 times as many scrobbles as Jethro Tull, and Cross by Justice has about 5 times as many scrobbles as all of Van Der Graaf Generator. That's not entirely reflective, as Porcupine Tree have 47 million scrobbles, which is as much as Yes, Jethro Tull, and Genesis put together, but you get the idea. Every forum on the internet has a metal thread, but you won't find many hardcore prog fans (although most serious rock/metal fans know about and enjoy at least a little prog).


Forgive my ignorance Henry, but what's a 'scrobble' and would they have one in my size?Embarrassed
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Originally posted by thehallway thehallway wrote:

Strange how, on the internet, Prog is the most popular genre!
No, metal, electronica, and indie rock are all far more popular than prog on the internet. Funeral by The Arcade Fire has more 2 million more scrobbles than all of King Crimson, Slayer has about 2.8 times as many scrobbles as Jethro Tull, and Cross by Justice has about 5 times as many scrobbles as all of Van Der Graaf Generator. That's not entirely reflective, as Porcupine Tree have 47 million scrobbles, which is as much as Yes, Jethro Tull, and Genesis put together, but you get the idea. Every forum on the internet has a metal thread, but you won't find many hardcore prog fans (although most serious rock/metal fans know about and enjoy at least a little prog).
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