Talfast (Canada): Prog Electronic...maybe? |
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Sheavy
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Topic: Talfast (Canada): Prog Electronic...maybe? Posted: September 18 2012 at 13:07 |
Whoops, posted some stuff about Tangram, before realizing David had already done a new thread.
Edited by Sheavy - September 18 2012 at 13:08 |
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Andy Webb
Special Collaborator Retired Admin Joined: June 04 2010 Location: Terria Status: Offline Points: 13298 |
Posted: September 18 2012 at 10:47 |
Looks good, thanks!
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yam yam
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Posted: September 18 2012 at 07:08 |
Ermm...it does now...! http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=89644.
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yam yam
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Posted: September 17 2012 at 22:06 |
I'll do a proper thread for them if you like...20 releases in around 6 years- this guy is quite prolific! - I'm looking for samples right now to supplement the YouTube ones I found. Should be a good PE candidate...At least Alex can now have an afternoon in the Garden tomorrow instead of trawling the Internet for Tangram samples!
Edit: This thread didn't do Talfast a whole lot of good, but it looks like it's got two (three maybe?) other potential PE bands/artists a foot in the door!
Edited by yam yam - September 17 2012 at 22:14 |
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Andy Webb
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Posted: September 17 2012 at 21:39 |
Well you already have because I told the PET already
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yam yam
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Posted: September 17 2012 at 21:03 |
LOL - no!! Alex (Sheavy) asked me if Tangram was the artist that I was about to suggest for PE...I was just trying to get him to confirm that this was the Tangram he had in mind when I posted the soundcloud link, 'cos there are others too!! No thread exists yet in the forum for this Tangram, and I daren't create one myself, or Alex will think I've hi-jacked his suggestion!
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Andy Webb
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Posted: September 17 2012 at 20:48 |
Wait...
Is the above TANGRAM you posted not it's own shindig? Because I foolishly thought this was it's own thread due to it starting on a new page... The PET was alerted for them anyhow.
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yam yam
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Posted: September 17 2012 at 19:43 |
Their other stuff isn't so pop-ish - I'll finish the suggestion off asap...I'm trying to cook my supper at the same time, so it's being done in fits and starts.
There's some damn fine music in this lot when it finally gets posted - unlike the monotonous, tuneless, droney stuff that usually ends up in PE!
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Andy Webb
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Posted: September 17 2012 at 19:34 |
I have to say, this has a giant influence from Berlin School and the PET needs to take a look at these guys, but some of those almost pop-ish elements might offset them a bit. But definitely a good suggestion and one for the electro boys to take a stab at.
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yam yam
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Posted: September 17 2012 at 19:16 |
This Tangram: http://soundcloud.com/tangrammusic...? No...But I reckon he deserves a shot.
The suggestion I am building is for John Dyson/Wavestar (two suggestions really, sort of interrelated, since John Dyson was one half of Wavestar...Stop me now if it's doomed to failure though - the stuff's very similar to Peter Fabok's Tangram actually. Edit: A taster of Wavestar's music (The very first appearance of Wavestar 'Live' at UK Electronica 1985 Sheffield UK...last track of concert 'Time Node'): Edited by yam yam - September 17 2012 at 19:22 |
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Sheavy
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Posted: September 17 2012 at 18:38 |
Is it Tangram? ^
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yam yam
Forum Senior Member Joined: June 16 2011 Location: Kerberos Status: Offline Points: 5825 |
Posted: September 17 2012 at 18:36 |
LOL!! - I've got to stick around for a while at least...'cos boy, have I got a suggestion for Prog Electronic - If THIS gets rejected then I'll eat my hat...WATCH THIS SPACE!!!
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Sheavy
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Posted: September 17 2012 at 18:31 |
I've failed far more than you have in trying to determine whats Prog and what isn't, and I'm still here churning out suggestions I think are Prog or Related, to the detriment and annoyance of some people. Don't quit trying to be helpful just cause of some mishaps, especially one such as confusing as the Prog Electronic label here on PA, which leads most people, (it did me) to think of Aphex Twin and Venetian Snares, as well as Kraftwerk, and TD and such. Theres always a chance with borderline acts (if they haven't been suggested before) to get an SC to sponsor them for Prog Related. Ive got quite a few of my previous 'big' suggestions, such as Billy Thorpe, Nurse With Wound, Melvins, and others on the backburner to bring 'em out in the future (again). And, rest assured, I will try my damn hardest to find one that agrees, and would be willing to sponsor them. Edited by Sheavy - September 17 2012 at 18:38 |
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Andy Webb
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Posted: September 17 2012 at 16:53 |
Oh my, many words have already been shared and I'm afraid I'm late for the party.
David, any decision you make is certainly your own call and you have your own reasons, but truly, I, personally, and I'm sure the others that helped me along the way as well as Steve and the other David, absolutely adore your work here. Even if you just provide information that I most definitely would not have found myself or if you provide an opinion, it's all appreciated and encouraged. Obviously we've talked at length on the subject of promotion and I know your reasons for that, but even if it means just posting an entire album of youtube samples (!) or adding some bio info on a few suggestions here and there, it would be so much better than seeing you leave altogether. On the subject of expertise in prog, if anyone were to call me an expert in anything, well frankly they would be wrong. I've been listening to this kind of music for hardly a fraction of most others here on the forum, and the fact that I've become well acquainted with a few genres here and have a grasp of most of the others in no way means I'm the definitive answer for every suggestion. I just hope you stick around, as I'll be very sad if you don't.
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Dean
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Posted: September 17 2012 at 16:36 |
If I can also interrupt the "back on topic" for a while longer... I'd like to re-emphasise something I touched on earlier, and that is the opinions of other people on specific suggestions. They are important and we should take all those opinions into consideration when evaluating a band or artist. Of course all team members should trust their own judgement when doing an evaluation, but they should also trust the judgement of other people too so when there is a borderline case there is good reason to listen to what everyone else thinks. I'm not talking about compromise here, but actually listening to alternative opinions which add to the collective pool of opinion about a band or artist.
There is nothing wrong in asking for an opinion from someone outside the team - we simply do not know everything and we cannot have a full understating of any subgenre, even those we think we are expert in. (I'm not musing as a retired Admin here, but from experience as an ex-member of the Crossover Team).
So what I'm trying to say here David is continue to have opinions and continue to voice them because they matter.
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lazland
Prog Reviewer Joined: October 28 2008 Location: Wales Status: Offline Points: 13311 |
Posted: September 17 2012 at 16:19 |
^ Sod back to topic
Thanks David. You should really be aware of just how much you are liked and admired around here, and this post just goes to confirm my feelings. Don't you dare go away. The West Mids just might suffer another Welsh invasion if you do.........................
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Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org
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yam yam
Forum Senior Member Joined: June 16 2011 Location: Kerberos Status: Offline Points: 5825 |
Posted: September 17 2012 at 16:16 |
Thanks for the kind words and well-wishes guys. I'm not actually deserting you totally - I doubt that I could exist without my daily dose of progarchives I'm just going to be taking very much more of a back seat than of late, and letting you fellows with a far better understanding of this marvellous thing we call prog (and the way things work around here) than I will ever have, go about your business unhindered. I will still check both the New and Unsigned Bands forums pretty well every day for new bands to discover and enjoy, & maybe drop in and add something to a thread if it seems it really needs it (as a kind of last resort, I suppose), but only ever factual information or audio samples - no more attempts at deciding if a suggested band or artist is prog or not, or even worse, what sub genre they might belong to. There are just so many folks on hand there who are far better at that than me. Similarly with suggestions - if I discover a band or artist who are not on there & that seem to be an absolute cut-and-dried case, then of course I will still post them for the benefit of the site and all its users, but no more of the 'borderline' acts that I have suggested just lately, that all too often fail to make it. OK - I hope that's cleared things up. Thanks again for all the kind words and well-wishes...I hope I will still feel able to pop in & contribute something worthwhile to the site now and again when circumstances call for it...and now...
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: September 17 2012 at 14:11 |
Very nicely put Dean.
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Dean
Special Collaborator Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: September 17 2012 at 12:48 |
We are all amateur enthusiasts here, no one is an expert in anything. Some of us chose to specialise in specific areas and we become knowledgeable in that, but we can never know everything there is to know, there will always be something we don't know, a band we've not noticed or a variation in style we've not heard before. The older we are the more we've seen and the more we've experienced and that counts for something but it doesn't make us infallible or always right, it just adds a bit of gravitas to our words and a bit if credence to our opinions.
What we work on here is consensus, we cannot conduct a census of every band by every member so we have to rely on the consensus of a selected few individuals who have accumulated some knowledge in their chosen area of amateur enthusiasm - some of them trust their own ears and their own judgement while others take into account the opinions of others, and that's how it should be because collectively their consensus gives us a fair and reasonable outcome.
We all recognise a fellow amateur enthusiast when we see one, we would not ask them to join us if we felt they could not do what we do. If they don't feel they have sufficient in-depth understanding then that is fair and reasonable, any of us who claims to know or have that is kidding no one but themselves. However, no one should be pressured to do anything they don't want to do, or don't feel comfortable doing.
I'd like to thank David for the considerable effort he has put into suggesting bands to us and for the comments he has offered on other people's suggestions, we do appreciate that level of commitment because we do recognise the time and energy that takes. So I would like to suggest to him that he looks back on all the great bands that he has helped secure a place in the PA and not dwell on those that didn't make it.
Thanks David, I wish you well on whatever you do next with your energy and enthusiasm.
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Finnforest
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Posted: September 17 2012 at 11:43 |
Yam, I don't do this thread near as often as the others as I work in RPI, but sometimes I help out here....and I just want to say that I find your comments and instincts helpful and positive, regardless of what genre teams ultimately decide. Thanks for your help!! |
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