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ben_
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Posted: July 11 2005 at 18:57 |
Tony Fisher wrote:
From Nursery Cryme to Selling England, Genesis
were virtually untouchable (Camel excepted) and several other albums
are very fine too. Sure they sold out but they still produced some fine
pop rock.
Floyd also had a purple patch (Meddle to Wish you were here) but their first 2 albums and most of the later ones were very poor to moderate.
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Floyd by far, and their first 2 albums (especially Piper at the Gates
of Dawn) are by far my favourites and are well above moderate, though I
do agree with the latter ones.
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NetsNJFan
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Posted: July 11 2005 at 19:04 |
Genesis, in a landslide.
Floyd just kind of spaces out at times and I loses interest for me.
Genesis never loses my interest.
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Posted: July 12 2005 at 19:35 |
Pink Floyd, by far if you compare it with all Genesis albums. If only Gabriel albums.... why compare!?
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Zitro
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Posted: July 12 2005 at 21:27 |
Pink Floyd, but slightly.
Genesis has never reached such artistic peaks as Pink Floyd's Echoes, Shine on You, and The Wall.
Genesis had never been very good at being pop and accessible ... Pink Floyd does, with The Wall, Dark Side of the Moon, Wish You were here (the song), etc.
But Genesis has better musicianship and more beauty in their instrumentations.
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GPFR
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Posted: August 06 2005 at 12:13 |
Hmm... Pink Floyd. Honestly, what can beat Dark side of the Moon? But I
will give genesis (atleast during Gabriels/early collins era) the
lyrics. They rocked. But looking at the angles you presented... The
Piper at the Gates of dawn and A saucer full of secrets vs, Fom Genesis
to revelation and Tresspass. Tresspass puts up a fight, but I have to
give it to Pink floyd. I did like Ummagumma to Meddle, but not nearly
my favorites.
Well, looking at the best selling albums by the two Artists with there
"classic" lineup... Dark side of the moon, wish you were here, animals,
and the wall, (would include the final cut but PF considers that a more
Roger Waters album titled as pink floyd...) vs Nursery Cryme, Foxtrot,
Selling england by the pund, and The Lamb lies down on Broadway. Thats
what makes it really close. As albums as a whole, I preferd Genesis,
But pink Floyd has some of my favorite songs, ever. (I.E. Shine on you
crazy diamond, Comfortably numb, etc.) and the only genesis song to me
atleast that can match up if not beat those is Supper's Ready.
After the classic Line up, I have to give it to genisis because
they atleast kept up for a while until duke. And pink floyd really lost
they're sound. But as for ending, Pink Floyd, all the way, Phill
collins doing Disney, Genesis going to commercial/pop entirley against
they're previous sound, broken up after a horrible selling album, Pink
Floyd, Back together after twenty years doing an amazing performance of
they're best hit's for a Live 8 benifet. Now what can beat that, and
also, Once they relized they lost the sound they stopped writing new
stuff. Smart choice, Gilmour!
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floydaholic
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Posted: August 06 2005 at 19:42 |
Both bands have put out some excellent prog albums. I feel that Genesis' are more important to the history of prog and probably better(on a prog scale) than floyds.
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I'll see you on the Darkside of the moon...
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stonebeard
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Posted: August 06 2005 at 21:14 |
hands down: genesis. didn't even hesitate.
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AtomHeartMother
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Posted: August 06 2005 at 23:07 |
Comon, Tarzan? of all movies Tarzan? Pink Floyd atleast chose mature movies, sure their drug movies but better than little childrens movies.
Tarzan?!?
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raindance
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Posted: August 07 2005 at 00:26 |
Not a difficult one this. Pink Floyd!!!!!!!!!
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Posted: August 07 2005 at 01:33 |
Oh, no,I don't want to choose from these two...
Well,I'll go with Pink Floyd,for three reasons:
1)They're better...
2)I like Gabriel Solo more than Genesis,and Pink Floyd is better than Gabriel Solo,so:
&nbs p; Pink Floyd>Gabriel Solo>Genesis
3)Genesis messed up after Duke,Pink Floyd continues up to present to be (almost) spotless...
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NetsNJFan
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Posted: August 07 2005 at 02:03 |
GENESIS
none of their pop albums come close to the awfulness of The Final Cut
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Posted: August 07 2005 at 04:42 |
Floyd, just Floyd
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Posted: August 07 2005 at 05:27 |
NetsNJFan wrote:
GENESIS
none of their pop albums come close to the awfulness of The Final Cut |
I would personally listen three times,one after another,to the Final
Cut (although it is indeed my least favourite Floyd album) that having
to hear again Abacab (and that dreadful "Who Dunnit" ew,ew,ew)...
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FragileDT
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Posted: August 07 2005 at 08:49 |
Genesis by a mile. I never liked Floyd much. Never thought they were that progressive and their songs tend to drag on.
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One likes to believe
In the freedom of music
But glittering prizes
And endless Compromises
Shatter the illusion
Of integrity
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Posted: August 07 2005 at 09:29 |
FragileDT wrote:
Genesis by a mile. I never liked Floyd much. Never
thought they were that progressive and their songs tend to drag on.
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Oh,Floyd is definately prog...Maybe much more than Genesis,especially after 1981 Genesis's prog rating is discusable...
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Posted: August 07 2005 at 10:51 |
Of course, I dislike Genesis after 1981. I'm all for the Peter Gabriel-era stuff. I'm not saying that Floyd isn't progressive I'm just saying I never thought they were. I just don't get it. I guess if you consider space rock progressive as the style than it is, but when you consider a lot of Floyds' stuff and than compare it to Yes or Genesis, it doesn't seem progressive at all to me. It seems like those bands were miles ahead. Keep in mind it's only my opinion. I would love to listen to Floyd thinking that their music is progressive and that some of their albums are masterpieces but nothing yet has convinced me.
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One likes to believe
In the freedom of music
But glittering prizes
And endless Compromises
Shatter the illusion
Of integrity
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Posted: August 07 2005 at 10:52 |
Floyd reached something (and done it in a masterliness way) that Genesis never reached:psychedelism...
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mgallard
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Posted: August 08 2005 at 16:46 |
Pink Floyd are just too self-conscious to be convincing in the long
run. Genesis has the benefit of having contributed more original music
together and in separate entities than PF. Even Steve Hackett alone, I
believe, has a better discography (more originality and wider spectrum)
than PF, now add to that Ant Phillips, Peter Gabriel, Phil Collins,
Banks, Rutherford and you have a discography that easily eats up
whatever PF and their solo records ever created. The world was affected
more by the presence of Genesis and its members than PF and its
members. Of course I am also a Gen-head so who cares what I think :-)
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Posted: August 09 2005 at 10:26 |
NetsNJFan wrote:
GENESIS
none of their pop albums come close to the awfulness of The Final Cut
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I dont understand what so many people have against the "final cut" I have not heard the whol album yust some songs but thos songs sounded very good and im planing to buy the album very soon.
Genesis never makes me even half as exited as PF does, many of PF songs gives me the shiver no genesis song have ever made me feel that, theyr 2 completly diffrent band Genesis goes for a pop sound and tryes to sound funny, while PF have more serius and dramatic and atmosphric sound, Genesis most of the times i lisen to them doesnt make me feel anything i cant even desied if its good or bad realy and i hope that it will grow on me but it never does, most of it yust sounds dull and boring, sorry...
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Posted: August 09 2005 at 10:49 |
midas man wrote:
listing all of what pink floyd made from its compostitional sphere for progressive rock,it ought to be some gods,to "embrace them in gratitude"for the novelty of their world-outlook...they still remain the unchalenged masters of the quadrofonic records,the only band that lingered in the prog-memories:1975-"New Musical Express"-100 weeks consecutively #1.that's how we used to be inspired by their meaningful inspiration...
as for genesis...they have some glittering,as skillful as their musical-nowheres.I can dance,invisible touch,sledgehammer,barely prog...
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I think you'll find that Sledgehammer is a Peter Gabriel song!
Genesis at their best are miles better than the soporific Floyd. Admittedly they went downhill after Hackett left, but Trespass - Wind And Wuthering are all fantastic.
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