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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 18 2005 at 18:53
And if ever a band needed to take a good look at themselves it's this bunch of sleep inducing nonces.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 18 2005 at 18:30
Originally posted by gdub411 gdub411 wrote:

Wow, after reading that, I no longer think Collins is the evil little monster. I would place that title on the shoulders of the very arrogant Banks and Rutherford. I love the way they completely downplayed Hackett's contribution to the band. The way they make him sound, one would have thought he was just a notch above a session musician.

I can now see why Gabriel and Hackett left as I am sure they could see these 2 guys were a couple of arrogant SOB's. Well perhaps we can guage the truly talented ones by who had the better solo careers. Hands down, that would go to Peter and Steve.

I also hated Phil for quite some time as the sole destroyer of Genesis, but this interview gave me some new insights. Thanks Guillermo!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 18 2005 at 18:17
Originally posted by Garion81 Garion81 wrote:

I thought one comment by Tony Banks spoke volumes of the realtionship with Steve Hackett. When speaking about Foxtrot he said:

 "The way it turned out gathers momentum and has a very strong overall mood, which makes it our most successful song from those early days. I'm less fond of "Can-Utility and the Coastliners"

If I remember right this was Steve Hackett's song. I also think it intersting that they thought they could do nothing with any of Steve's songs that became Please Don't Touch.  I thought there were a few that would have been good starts to Genesis songs. 

Ah, Can-Utility was Hackett's song. That explains a lot since I've allways loved that song and Tony seems to want to bring it down. He also mentions The Return Of The Giant H. in a quite negative way. Was that also a Hackett song? Or Seven Stones? (which I also like).

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 18 2005 at 18:17

Wow, after reading that, I no longer think Collins is the evil little monster. I would place that title on the shoulders of the very arrogant Banks and Rutherford. I love the way they completely downplayed Hackett's contribution to the band. The way they make him sound, one would have thought he was just a notch above a session musician.

I can now see why Gabriel and Hackett left as I am sure they could see these 2 guys were a couple of arrogant SOB's. Well perhaps we can guage the truly talented ones by who had the better solo careers. Hands down, that would go to Peter and Steve.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 18 2005 at 17:59
Yeah, and on 'Selling England...' some of the members wanted to cut 'After The Ordeal' which was a Steve Hackett showpiece, but then again I think I read Peter Gabriel wasn't too sure about the instrumental section of 'The Cinema Show'...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 18 2005 at 17:23

I thought one comment by Tony Banks spoke volumes of the realtionship with Steve Hackett. When speaking about Foxtrot he said:

 "The way it turned out gathers momentum and has a very strong overall mood, which makes it our most successful song from those early days. I'm less fond of "Can-Utility and the Coastliners"

 

If I remember right this was Steve Hackett's song. I also think it intersting that they thought they could do nothing with any of Steve's songs that became Please Don't Touch.  I thought there were a few that would have been good starts to Genesis songs. 

 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 17 2005 at 21:56

Originally posted by Bj-1 Bj-1 wrote:

Thanks for the interview link, BTW

It`s good that you and other persons liked this interview.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 17 2005 at 20:48
Thanks for the interview link, BTW
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 17 2005 at 20:47
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 17 2005 at 20:40
Originally posted by Publius Publius wrote:

Originally posted by Sir Hogweed Sir Hogweed wrote:

How would the interview after CAS have been?

Tony: We never cared much for Phil. He was quite a loser who didn't know anything about music and we had to tell him his stuff all the time.

Mike: (laughs) Yeah, what an untalented douchebag he was. I felt so relieved when he finally got the message and left. Just like the thing with... I've forgotten their names.

Tony: Yeah, the two of us wrote 99% of the material anyway. We could have been so much more succesful if we had dropped them all right away.

I don't normally say this but: LOLOLOLOLOL

How about:

Tony: Finally Phil left. Then we got some guy in to sing some stuff that me and Mike wrote by ourselves...What was his name again?

Mike: Erm...Anthony Philips or something?

Tony: Something like that, yeah. Or wasn't that our old singer?

Mike: Doesn't matter really. It may have taken nearly 30 years but we managed to shake off the deadweights, and do what we love doing without hindrance.

Tony: Even though nobody likes us any more...

Mike: Shut it. They'll learn.

  

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 17 2005 at 20:34

Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

can someone please answer my question?

Well, I hope so... !

In October 1982 there was a concert to help Peter Gabriel to earn money for him to pay for the WOMAD Festival that he organized. He lost a lot of money, it seems. So, he asked Collins-Banks-Rutherford to play with him in a one-off concert. The band was in the last dates of their "Three Sides Live Encore Tour". They finished the tour (with Chester Thompson and Daryl Stuermer) and they (the trio plus Thompson and Stuermer)   rehearsed a bit with Gabriel. It is not clear to me if Hackett was invited. But I also read an interview with Hackett on which he said that he was in Brazil at that time, and that his father called him there to  tell  him  the news about the "Reunion Concert". So, Hackett travelled to England and only played in the Encores ("I know what I like" and a short version of "The Knife") with Peter & the band. There is a book called "Genesis, from One Fan to Another", with photos by Armando Gallo. There are photos of that concert, with Steve playing on stage with them and smiling with Mike while playing.There is another photo, a "Backstage Photo" I think, on which the musicians are celebrating the success of the concert with a cake and some drinks. Steve and Peter are together, on one side of the photo, and in the other side are Tony Smith (cutting the cake),  B-C-R and Stuermer. There is also another photo of Steve chating with Daryl.

In February of 1983, Hackett invited Gabriel and Rutherford to play some songs during one of Hackett`s concerts.

In one interview, Hackett also said that he respected Banks as a musician but that he never considered him as a close friend.

In 1998, there was a "Reunion Photo" at London`s Heathrow Airport (is it the right  name of the Airport?) of  several members of the band (Hackett, Gabriel, Rutherford, Phillips, Banks, Collins and John Silver). It was at the time of the release of the "Archives 1967-75" Boxed Set. They are all  smiling in the photo.

In September 2000, two or three months after Rutherford and Banks fired Ray Wilson, they played a short concert with Collins and Stuermer (a semi-acoustic concert) to celebrate that Tony Smith won an award in England as manager. Gabriel appears with them in one photo on stage, but he didn`t sing with them.

I don`t know if they are only "Business Partners" and if they only have "apparent good relations" for this reason.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 17 2005 at 16:38
Originally posted by Sir Hogweed Sir Hogweed wrote:

How would the interview after CAS have been?

Tony: We never cared much for Phil. He was quite a loser who didn't know anything about music and we had to tell him his stuff all the time.

Mike: (laughs) Yeah, what an untalented douchebag he was. I felt so relieved when he finally got the message and left. Just like the thing with... I've forgotten their names.

Tony: Yeah, the two of us wrote 99% of the material anyway. We could have been so much more succesful if we had dropped them all right away.

I don't normally say this but: LOLOLOLOLOL

How about:

Tony: Finally Phil left. Then we got some guy in to sing some stuff that me and Mike wrote by ourselves...What was his name again?

Mike: Erm...Anthony Philips or something?

Tony: Something like that, yeah. Or wasn't that our old singer?

Mike: Doesn't matter really. It may have taken nearly 30 years but we managed to shake off the deadweights, and do what we love doing without hindrance.

Tony: Even though nobody likes us any more...

Mike: Shut it. They'll learn.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 17 2005 at 16:31

How would the interview after CAS have been?

Tony: We never cared much for Phil. He was quite a loser who didn't know anything about music and we had to tell him his stuff all the time.

Mike: (laughs) Yeah, what an untalented douchebag he was. I felt so relieved when he finally got the message and left. Just like the thing with... I've forgotten their names.

Tony: Yeah, the two of us wrote 99% of the material anyway. We could have been so much more succesful if we had dropped them all right away.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 17 2005 at 15:49
Good article. I didn't realise that all the guitar work on Nursery Cryme was written by some no-namer short lived guitarist.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 17 2005 at 14:25
Tony: "Behind the Lines" was the one that came together first. Lots of
jamming - we were using a rhythm machine. "Duchess" came out of Phil
banging along with his drum pads; we developed the riffs and melody
lines. "Misunderstanding," it seems to me, proves that Americans are
suckers for anything that goes boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Maybe
hat's unfair."

Tony: "Misunderstanding is not representitive of our sound"


When Duke came out I was a) ok with it because it was better than And
Then There Were Three, b) dissappointed because I still held out hope
that the glory days of the genre were not over and Genesis could save us
and c) quite sure everyone in the world heard "Misunderstanding" for
what it was...total crap, even from a "Top 40" stand point.

Well I went to see them on that tour. Seems i was wrong about
"Misunderstanding" Seems as if the entire audience was waiting for that
sonng and went wild when they played it. In fact, the guy in front of me
was on his feet, fists raised in exultation. My reaction: a) kill him, b) leave
now and pretend it never happen, c) both of the above, or d) come to the
realization that I was utterly alone in this world and learn to live with it.

Yeah, there must be some misunderstanding... and it was mine. I thought
Genesis might keep a shred of dignity.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 17 2005 at 14:07

I agree with you all that the indifference to Steve's departure was quite sad.  No real announcement, just a quick "I'm leaving"....and no real response from the others, just relief.  I think a little less of the remaining three after reading that part....

 

Also a little surprised that Tony isn't too fond of 'Can-Utility...'.  That is far and away my favourite track on that album....

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 17 2005 at 14:05
Wow, that article makes me hate this people who were so mean to Peter and Steve...  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 17 2005 at 13:48
can someone please answer my question?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 17 2005 at 13:32

Originally posted by Cluster One Cluster One wrote:

Great interview and very telling.

Steve is blatantly not mentioned AT ALL until AFTER Wind & Wuthering when he gets fed up and leaves, and then the three remaining guys lay into him by saying "we didn't miss him" or "it was time for him to go" NO CLASS!

To overlook his contribution(s) to Selling-Lamb-Trick-Wind is a sin that Banks/Collins/Rutherford should feel ashamed about!


I agree, no class at all....

This is Tony talking about "the Lamb....":  "The three of us got on like a house on fire with the writing."

Tony hints that the reason why they began giving individual credits is because Steve wasn't pulling his weight.  Well how about Phil, he never even wrote anything until 'Misunderstanding', which we all know is crap.  They don't even show too much respect for Pete either, they didn't like him handling all the lyrics on tLLDoB and it seems that they were pleased when he left.  It appears that they were sick of not getting enough attention-- these guys are clearly not giving PG and SH enough respect out of pride/ego's.

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