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Posted: November 29 2005 at 21:48 |
Not sure who is better they are both great bands and its close for me to pick one, however I think Shadow Gallery do long songs better so I`m going with them. 
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AtLossForWords
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Posted: November 29 2005 at 21:44 |
W.Chuck wrote:
AtLossForWords wrote:
W.Chuck wrote:
AtLossForWords wrote:
goose wrote:
[QUOTE=W.Chuck]Furthermore there are not many bands as diverse as Symphony X! |
ever heard of
Dream TheaterPain of SalvationShadow GalleryVanden PlasAyreonAbydosTOCToolDead Soul TribeStream of PassionLaluSarissaOpethEdge of SanityKatatoniaPagan's Mindand so many other progressive metal bands that are more progressive than Symphony X. I guess Ed is right, i do label SX as the Nirvana of Prog Metal.
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Of course there are bands which are complex but most of the bands you mentioned are not as progressive and as diverse as SX...
next time please don't post any bands think about what you write... |
SX is not diverse or progressive for the most part. SX is quite bland. In fact i consider almost 80% of SX's music to be closer to Power Metal than prog. What so progressive about songs like Dress to Kill, Of Sins and Shadows, The Relic, Medusa, and hell almost any SX song that is not an epic. The only real progressive songs i've heard of SX are The Divine Wings of Tragedy, Edge of Forever, Winter's Dream, Through the Looking Glass, Rediscovery, The Accolades, and well the Odyssey. Other than that i don't see SX as diverse or progressive.
Yes, I do consider Katatonia to be more progressive than SX. Katatonia has done more to evolve their sound and increase complexity throughout their career. SX has stayed very similar and in the case of The Odyssey, weakened their career.
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Every Symphony X song has progressive elements, some are more progressive some are more progressive and funny that you think Of sins and shadows and medusa are not progressive... you can define progressive metal with those songs...
I think you should better inform about what is progressive...imo you just consider epics as progressive or song that have 50 different themes...
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What is so prog about Of Sins and Shadows? The song lacks way too many elements of progressive metal. The key signatures sounds like the generic open minor position with few modulations. The time signature is the classic 4/4. The song lacks clean diversity. Symphony X really fails with the use or lack of clean guitars. Songs that better define progressive metal would be Dream Theater's Home, A Change of Seasons, Metropolis Part I, and of course Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence. Pain of Salvation's Idioglossia, King of Loss, or Beyond the Pale are excellent choices as well. I consider Shadow Gallery's Rain, I believe, or even War for Sale to be better representatives of progressive metal than Of Sins and Shadows. Symphony X has very few songs that i consider progressive.
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Posted: November 29 2005 at 21:38 |
Theres no point in voting if you only know one of the bands
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BleedingGum
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Posted: November 29 2005 at 15:56 |
Symph X for me.
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...this is called....BleedingGum ... !
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Ed_The_Dead
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Posted: November 29 2005 at 15:30 |
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Posted: November 29 2005 at 15:26 |
Odyssey - First Light= First Light
The Divine Wings Of Tragedy - First Light = The Divine Wings OF Tragedy 
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Posted: November 29 2005 at 14:58 |
Think its Rather First Light vs The Divine Wings...
And I forgot 2 mention that the Odyssey sounds a bit cheesy to my ear
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Xymphony
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Posted: November 29 2005 at 14:55 |
V is better than both, i think. But i also like DWOT better than the Odyssey. It is a matter of taste, as DWOT is more power metal based than The Odyssey. Why i like Odyssey less, is mainly because i don't like the drum sounding...
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Ed_The_Dead
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Posted: November 29 2005 at 14:50 |
The Divine Wings are much better then The Odyssey
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Ed_The_Dead
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Posted: November 29 2005 at 14:49 |
Well.. I prefer FIRST LIGHT, and You prefer THE ODYSSEY
The album itself is far 2 heavy for my liking... I liked the more orchestral melodic side of Symphony X... I love the song Accolade II though
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Posted: November 29 2005 at 14:32 |
Hmm, I like it too, but we need more subjects to discuss...hmm...
THE ODYSSEY or FIRST LIGHT?
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Ed_The_Dead
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Posted: November 29 2005 at 14:10 |
Damn this is my fav thread around here now!
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Xymphony
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Posted: November 29 2005 at 14:09 |
Not agreed. You may not like him of course, but Allen has a very good ear, and the vocal partitions of S.X. are so hard to perform that, not many vocalists can sing them in proper way. He is very talented
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Posted: November 29 2005 at 12:41 |
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1-Vocal: Russell Allen in this moment is the best vocalist in metal scene(after LaBrie's voice departure),because he doesn't follow melody but he create's with his voice new music line.Great!Not Shadow Gallery's vocal!
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I actually consider the vocals to be the least interesting aspect of SX's music. I'd rather take any LaBrie or Tate copyst than that guy.
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Posted: November 29 2005 at 06:38 |
a Bravo for everyone, for me Symphony X are better than Shadow Gallery for 2 reasons:
1-Vocal: Russell Allen in this moment is the best vocalist in metal scene(after LaBrie's voice departure),because he doesn't follow melody but he create's with his voice new music line.Great!Not Shadow Gallery's vocal!
2-Prog element:in every symphony xs' albums all songs are heavy but prog too,instead shadow gallerys' albums have two or three songs at least that can mention as prog;so most tracks are pop-prog metal in Vaden Plas style.
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Posted: November 29 2005 at 05:28 |
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W.Chuck
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Posted: November 29 2005 at 04:39 |
AtLossForWords wrote:
W.Chuck wrote:
AtLossForWords wrote:
goose wrote:
[QUOTE=W.Chuck]Furthermore there are not many bands as diverse as Symphony X! |
ever heard of
Dream TheaterPain of SalvationShadow GalleryVanden PlasAyreonAbydosTOCToolDead Soul TribeStream of PassionLaluSarissaOpethEdge of SanityKatatoniaPagan's Mindand so many other progressive metal bands that are more progressive than Symphony X. I guess Ed is right, i do label SX as the Nirvana of Prog Metal.
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Of course there are bands which are complex but most of the bands you mentioned are not as progressive and as diverse as SX...
next time please don't post any bands think about what you write... |
SX is not diverse or progressive for the most part. SX is quite bland. In fact i consider almost 80% of SX's music to be closer to Power Metal than prog. What so progressive about songs like Dress to Kill, Of Sins and Shadows, The Relic, Medusa, and hell almost any SX song that is not an epic. The only real progressive songs i've heard of SX are The Divine Wings of Tragedy, Edge of Forever, Winter's Dream, Through the Looking Glass, Rediscovery, The Accolades, and well the Odyssey. Other than that i don't see SX as diverse or progressive.
Yes, I do consider Katatonia to be more progressive than SX. Katatonia has done more to evolve their sound and increase complexity throughout their career. SX has stayed very similar and in the case of The Odyssey, weakened their career.
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Every Symphony X song has progressive elements, some are more progressive some are more progressive and funny that you think Of sins and shadows and medusa are not progressive... you can define progressive metal with those songs...
I think you should better inform about what is progressive...imo you just consider epics as progressive or song that have 50 different themes...
Edited by W.Chuck
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Ed_The_Dead
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Posted: November 28 2005 at 17:34 |
I'm undead! I am the Dark side!!! 
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Xymphony
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Posted: November 28 2005 at 17:25 |
 You don't know the power of the dark side, do you? Ed_The_Dead?
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Ed_The_Dead
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Posted: November 28 2005 at 17:13 |
Well, it was the "You don't know him very well" strategy... People did actually read that in awe!
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