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Xymphony
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Posted: November 30 2005 at 17:00 |
I can't escape this captive misery. Heart stone cold, under supremacy. Thrown into a raging sea of tyranny.
Here's the connection   
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Ed_The_Dead
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Posted: November 30 2005 at 16:57 |
AtLossForWords wrote:
Ed_The_Dead wrote:
Heh... we might still be friends... 
(Demonstratively puts "Candlelight Fantasia" on - another great song! And its an ideal example of the Symphony X i like the most! )
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Candlelight Fantasia is one of Symphony X's best songs.
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Lady of The Snow right be4 bed.... This is one of these songs were Russell really gives me some shivers ("In the Night, Shadows Dance"... etc etc )
That the main problem with the last Symph X album... 2 heavy! Me not liking heavy Symph X! Me prefer Symphonic melodic and emotional Symph X!
And MJR says that the new one is going to be even more heavy... hopefully in a way Accolade II was 
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AtLossForWords
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Joined: October 11 2005
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Posted: November 30 2005 at 16:45 |
Ed_The_Dead wrote:
Heh... we might still be friends... 
(Demonstratively puts "Candlelight Fantasia" on - another great song! And its an ideal example of the Symphony X i like the most! )
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Candlelight Fantasia is one of Symphony X's best songs.
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"Mastodon sucks giant monkey balls."
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Ed_The_Dead
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Posted: November 30 2005 at 16:40 |
Heh... we might still be friends... 
(Demonstratively puts "Candlelight Fantasia" on - another great song! And its an ideal example of the Symphony X i like the most! )
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Xymphony
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Joined: November 03 2005
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Posted: November 30 2005 at 16:21 |
Ed_The_Dead wrote:
Well... Xympony at least sounds a bit reasonable to Me...
not the blunt - Symph X is better and it is far more "everything" than SG
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I am now drinking beer and listening "Christmas Day" , such a beautiful song 

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AtLossForWords
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Joined: October 11 2005
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Posted: November 30 2005 at 16:09 |
W.Chuck wrote:
yes like the beginning of Through the looking glass or The death of balance, but I think overall SG sound more like DT. |
I think Shadow Gallery has a much better structure than Symphony X. I think Shadow Gallery has a more similar sound to DT than SX does, but SX has a lot of songs that sound a lot like Under a Glass Moon from Images and Words.
Dream Theater slaughters both of these bands in all aspects of music. Virtuosity, composition, variation, structure, and creativity being the foremost.
i still love Shadow Gallery, and Symphony X is alright.
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"Mastodon sucks giant monkey balls."
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Shark Sandwich
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Joined: November 09 2005
Location: Canada
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Posted: November 30 2005 at 16:09 |
Xymphony wrote:
With other words, when i listen to Shadow Gallery, i sometimes think "D.T. could have done such a song, if not S.G."
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I agree, I also think that on some of their songs. Mostly due to Baker's vox sounding a bit like LaBrie and not really the music. And with some SX songs I start to think I could be listening to Malmsteen so neither band is totally original.
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Ed_The_Dead
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Posted: November 30 2005 at 16:04 |
Well... Xympony at least sounds a bit reasonable to Me...
not the blunt - Symph X is better and it is far more "everything" than SG
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: November 30 2005 at 15:58 |
^ I see what you're getting at ... but IMO there are so many differences that I really wouldn't call the styles "similar". Also: Shadow Gallery are much more consistent. I couldn't tell which DT phase they should be similar to ... maybe Images & Words, but I couldn't name any specific similarities.
I think that if you compiled a CD mixing DT and SG songs and played it to someone who doesn't know either of them (make it instrumentals only), that person could tell the songs apart.
Edited by MikeEnRegalia
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Xymphony
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Posted: November 30 2005 at 15:51 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
SyX remind me of DT much more often than Shadow Gallery. There are passages in some SyX songs that are almost identical to passages of some DT songs ... gives me a feeling of deja vu everytime I'm listening to it. |
Yes, but as you've mentioned; some particular passages, that are almost identical to D.T. 's.
I mean, Shadow gallery, as building up their style of composing and playing, more resembles D.T. With other words, when i listen to Shadow Gallery, i sometimes think "D.T. could have done such a song, if not S.G."
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Ed_The_Dead
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Posted: November 30 2005 at 15:34 |
Of Course You Do!
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: November 30 2005 at 15:34 |
W.Chuck wrote:
yes like the beginning of Through the looking glass or The death of balance, but I think overall SG sound more like DT. |
Yes - Through the Looking Glass reminds me of Metropolis pt.1.
But which SG passages remind you of DT?
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W.Chuck
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Posted: November 30 2005 at 15:32 |
yes like the beginning of Through the looking glass or The death of balance, but I think overall SG sound more like DT.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: November 30 2005 at 15:14 |
SyX remind me of DT much more often than Shadow Gallery. There are passages in some SyX songs that are almost identical to passages of some DT songs ... gives me a feeling of deja vu everytime I'm listening to it.
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Xymphony
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Posted: November 30 2005 at 15:01 |
Symphony X uses some structural D.T. elements, but the sound and feeling is totally different IMO. However, Shadow Gallery sometimes makes me feel i'm listening to D.T. Don't get me wrong, this is not in a disturbing level. I also like Shadow Gallery very much.
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Ed_The_Dead
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Posted: November 30 2005 at 14:52 |
reminds me of dream theater... And Symph X doesn't? To each his own...
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Paulieg
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Posted: November 30 2005 at 12:07 |
I have all of Shadow Gallery's releases except their self titled first, and all of Symphony X's releases except their first and Damnation Game. Personally I like Symphony X a lot more. This isn't to say I don't Like Shadow Gallery, because I enjoy them emmensely. I find Symphony X to be much more original. Shadow Gallery reminds me to much of Dream Theater at times. Still, they are both great bands in my book.
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sleeper
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Joined: October 09 2005
Location: Entropia
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Posted: November 30 2005 at 12:01 |
s1ipp3ry wrote:
Theres no point in voting if you only know one of the bands  |
Thats a very obvious statement and the reason that im not voting in this poll
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Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Marc Baum
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Joined: September 30 2005
Location: Germany
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Posted: November 30 2005 at 11:09 |
Can't decide... both great bands, with awesome songs in their catalogue - they are on a equal level in songwriting and technics...  ...
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: November 30 2005 at 03:32 |
AtLossForWords wrote:
What is so prog about Of Sins and Shadows? The song lacks way too many elements of progressive metal. The key signatures sounds like the generic open minor position with few modulations. The time signature is the classic 4/4. The song lacks clean diversity. Symphony X really fails with the use or lack of clean guitars. Songs that better define progressive metal would be Dream Theater's Home, A Change of Seasons, Metropolis Part I, and of course Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence. Pain of Salvation's Idioglossia, King of Loss, or Beyond the Pale are excellent choices as well. I consider Shadow Gallery's Rain, I believe, or even War for Sale to be better representatives of progressive metal than Of Sins and Shadows. Symphony X has very few songs that i consider progressive.
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So prog is all about weird scales, signatures and mixing different moods and sounds as much as possible? That's a really confining definition if you ask me. IMO artists (especially prog artists) should be free to choose any kind of musical element if it suits the song. There are plenty of SyX songs that would meet your criteria - the entire album V: The New Mythology Suite for a start.
BTW: Listen to Post Rock, if you think that Symphony X are "boring" ... 
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