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Posted: December 05 2005 at 19:04 |
  what the hell is that ?!?! does anyone get that album?!!! It's my first time listening to it, but dammit, it really sucks... just mindless humour, Zappa should shut the hell up like he did in Hot Rats. But this is just.. inappropriate. stupid 2 minute tracks flaming hippies. Its a MUSIC album, not a DVD... that, Zappa, means you have to make MUSIC!
Please people, what do you guys think about it?
(Now im listening to Lumpy Gravy, and it's better. but still, I can't say Im a fan of this Zappa guy)
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Posted: December 05 2005 at 19:34 |
I totally agree. We're only in it for the money is just one too long joke, not music. But Hot Rats is great.  Apostrophe and Grand Wazoo are good too. 
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Posted: December 05 2005 at 19:35 |
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I learnt that you cant judge an album after the first time you heard it...specially when it comes to prog albums...specially when it comes to Zappa!
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Posted: December 05 2005 at 19:36 |
Haven't heard WOIIFTM yet, but I  Troum Mask Replica, and that says something 
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Posted: December 05 2005 at 23:01 |
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You obviously don't understand Zappa then. Give some of his more
accessible albums a try.. Sheik Yerbouti is a good place to start,
because it combines more accesible music with Zappa's biting humour.
Give it time bro, its a brilliant album... both musically and
especially lyrically.
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Posted: December 05 2005 at 23:17 |
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I think this is a really outstanding album. Probably because I found a mint
vinyl copy at a garage sale for 50 cents last summer. I could tell by the
flawless condition of the vinyl that someone probably bought it back in the
day, listened to it once, and then never listened to it again. Goes for about
$25 on ebay.
I gave it a listen, not bad, I find most Zappa music a bit hard to get into. Too
much constantly shifting time signatures, abrupt starts and stops to songs.
Hip stoner humor of the day seems a bit lame these days so I like his
instrumentals best. Good guitarist though and a good, original, overall body
of work.
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Posted: December 06 2005 at 00:48 |
 roaryg wrote:
I think this is a really outstanding album. Probably because I found a mint
vinyl copy at a garage sale for 50 cents last summer. I could tell by the
flawless condition of the vinyl that someone probably bought it back in the
day, listened to it once, and then never listened to it again. Goes for about
$25 on ebay.
I gave it a listen, not bad, I find most Zappa music a bit hard to get into. Too
much constantly shifting time signatures, abrupt starts and stops to songs.
Hip stoner humor of the day seems a bit lame these days so I like his
instrumentals best. Good guitarist though and a good, original, overall body
of work. |
Funny, I got it in the exact same condition that you.
I went to an uncle's house (Former Hippy) and he told me to take any album I wanted from a big box, I got this one, Days of Future Passed and Mountain - Climbing! for free., he only listened the three albums once and believed were too complex for him.
Iván
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Posted: December 06 2005 at 01:07 |
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I think it's a great album. Great music, great lyrics making fun
of hippies. You've gotta have the vinyl to compare it to Sgt.
Pepper!
Zappa is the man.
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Posted: December 06 2005 at 01:45 |
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I think the album was Zappa's first sign of true genius, next to
Lumpy Gravy. As for the social content, you have to imagine
yourself back in time. It was 1967, the whole pop culture and
media was off on this summer of love trip, and ONLY Zappa
was aware and quick enough to say, "Wait a second, this is
really phony, everyone making money off of peace and love, it's
just another TREND".
Musically it's exciting and still fresh, a very funny take on the
kinds of arrangements going on in psychedelic music. And fully
progressive well before the Court of the Crimson King, listen to
the alternating 7/8 and 5/8 passages in "Flower Punk" ("Hey
Punk, where ya goin' with that flower in your hand?"). Not only
that, but in the "Chrome-Plated Megaphone of Destiny" he put
together a truly ground-breaking, genius electronic
composition, well before the existence of samplers, or the
availability of synthesizers. But what can you say? A lot of
people have neither a sense of history, nor of humor.
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Posted: December 06 2005 at 02:12 |
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Posted: December 06 2005 at 02:46 |
Pure genius.
A little annoying in places for my tastes, but nonetheless, a brilliant satire of possibly the most important period in rock music.
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Posted: December 06 2005 at 03:48 |
First of all, the short songs on it are very good songs, great melodies, harmonies, lyrics and arrangements. Just remember, this album came out at least 4 years before anybody even used the word "progressive".
A good example of the relevance of the lyrics, even today: the song that begins with the sentence, "The first word in this song is discorporate, it means to leave your body". Then comes an apparently silly psychedelic song typical of the time about freeing the mind from the weight of logic to the realms of space. But the whole sing functions on a double level, based on this play on words: "discorporate" also means to escape from the influence of corporations, culminating in the line, "Escape from the weight of your corporate logo". We live in an age today when music is still dominated by large corporations, pop stars sell their ass to do coke commercials, and every kid is sporting an Adidas or some corporate logo. A very intelligent satire, not only ridiculing psychedelic escapism, but an overt political message against the corporate domination of culture.
Secondly, there's not only 2 minute pop songs. There's several very brilliant electronic tape compositions. Zappa was very attuned to the avant.garde experiments of the Dortmund school, Stockhausen, Pierre Schaefer, Boulez, etc. These compositions on the album stand with the best compositions of those pioneers, and were created using oscillators, tape mainipulation, and actually editing the tapes by hand with razor blades. This is a lost art today, but Zappa was among the best in that field, and certainly the first to bring that level of experimentation into rock (Lumpy Gravy is a longer composition using those principles). The Beatles would use it on the White Album on "Revolution no. 9", but the work on "We're Only in it..." is far more refined. Listen to it on headphones while reading the text based on the Kafka book...a conceptual masterpiece.
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Posted: December 06 2005 at 04:33 |
Ok, let me summarize what other people said: either you don't like/understand Zappa or either you should listen it more than just one time.
I myself think this is a brilliant album; it contains some of Zappa's best melodies (i.e. Who Needs The Peace Corps). The cover art is sublime.
Besides, this is an extremely progressive album: it doesn't always have to contain twenty minute pieces, but I see the album as one entire work, with strong music and well chosen dialogues. I think it's a natural predecessor to Mr.Bungle's Disco Volante.
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Posted: December 06 2005 at 04:46 |
It's a great album, but you have to listen it more than once if you want to understand Zappa's music.
Start with "Joe's garage" and "Hot rats" for start
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Posted: December 06 2005 at 05:00 |
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I don´t think This Zappa Guy gives a f**k, being dead for 12 years can do that to you.
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Posted: December 06 2005 at 05:06 |
Velvetclown wrote:
I don´t think This Zappa Guy gives a f**k, being dead for 12 years can do that to you. |
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Posted: December 06 2005 at 05:09 |
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Self portrait ???
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Posted: December 06 2005 at 05:15 |
Yes, after reading your confusing reply
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Posted: December 06 2005 at 05:18 |
It´s not confusing : Zappa didn´t give a sh*t about what people thought about his music. 
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Posted: December 06 2005 at 05:20 |
Why didn't you say that in a first place?
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