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John Gargo 
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 Topic: Only 3 Floyd albums worth a damn....
Posted: January 16 2006 at 16:43 |
...at least when it comes to progressive rock.
First off, I know that this kind of a statement will tick off plenty of forum members, and I wouldn't expect otherwise. Pink Floyd are ridiculously popular, within the prog rock realm and with fans of classic rock as a whole. The reason why I think non-prog lovers enthuse over this band (and can't stand stuff like Genesis and Gentle Giant) is because I think only three Pink Floyd albums qualify as progressive. Those three albums are WISH YOU WERE HERE, ANIMALS, and THE WALL. The rest of their output is decidedly non-prog (falling more along the lines of psychedelic rock), including their most popular (and overrated) album, DARK SIDE OF THE MOON.
Forgive me if this topic has been done to death, but I just heard Money on the radio and I had to vent. 
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King of Loss
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Posted: January 16 2006 at 16:46 |
I totally disagree, have you ever listened to the entire Dark SIde of the Moon album? 
Do you know what is the meaning of "Progressive"? Or have you ever listened to "Atom heart Mother"? Or the incredibly weird Umma.....whatever, no matter how much I like these earlier Floyd albums, they are definitely Prog.
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arcer
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Posted: January 16 2006 at 16:48 |
It's just over-exposure. Money, Another Brick in the Wall Pt 2 and Wish
You Were Here are radio staples (well in the States, not in Europe) and
hearing anything played incessantly on classic rock radio is bound to
turn you off.
DSOTM is a phenomenal album. Epoch-making stuff and one the seminal
records of the 70s. Everything Floyd did from Meddle through to Final
Cut is worth anybody's time of day. A great body of work.
Then again maybe you just don't like Floyd. Fair enough.
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Certif1ed
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Posted: January 16 2006 at 16:54 |
I'd agree with arcer, but I'd say everything from "Piper..." through to "Final Cut" is great.
Maybe "More" isn't so great, "AMH" has weak spots (Alan's Psychedelic Breakfast), and "Final Cut" is a bit like The Wall part II, but everything else shows a band strongly progressing and writing very strong and genre-defining Prog Rock - with only a handful of songs (mostly on "Piper...") as exceptions.
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Rust
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Posted: January 16 2006 at 16:55 |
Give me one good and intelegent reason why any of the albums I list are not prog, and "is pop music" is not a valid excuse for an album not being prog.
Piper at the Gates of Dawn
A Saucerful of Secrets
Ummagumma
Atom Heart Mother
Meddle
Darkside of the Moon
Wish You Were Here
Animals
The Wall
The Final Cut
A Momentary Lapse of Reason
Notice I did not list More Obscured by Clouds or The Division Bell since I don't think these qualify as prog, but those are it, everything else is prog. I promise.
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Its astart
What we need is awareness we cant get careless
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chopper
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Posted: January 16 2006 at 17:08 |
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They don't come much more prog than DSOTM.
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Cygnus X-1
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Posted: January 16 2006 at 17:10 |
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Indeed. Dark Side Of The Moon is an awsome prog album
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Publius84
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Posted: January 16 2006 at 17:16 |
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Floyd's are great. I love them and nothing/noone's gonna change that.
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I know what I like and I like what I know...
Prog is in my heart, in my mind, in my soul...
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Emiaj
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Posted: January 16 2006 at 17:24 |
I've just gave away your 3 Floyd albums worth a damn
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stonebeard
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Posted: January 16 2006 at 18:09 |
 Certif1ed wrote:
I'd agree with arcer, but I'd say everything from "Piper..." through to "Final Cut" is great.
Maybe "More" isn't so great, "AMH" has weak spots (Alan's Psychedelic Breakfast), and "Final Cut" is a bit like The Wall part II, but everything else shows a band strongly progressing and writing very strong and genre-defining Prog Rock - with only a handful of songs (mostly on "Piper...") as exceptions.
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I agree, though I think TFC and "Alan's Psychedelic Breakfast" are excellent. Pink Floyd were always making PROGRESSIVE abums until TFC. Ehn...the term is useless anyway. 
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aapatsos
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Posted: January 16 2006 at 18:19 |
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disagree... no need to say anything more, covered by everyone above
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The Doctor
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Posted: January 16 2006 at 18:23 |
John Gargo wrote:
...at least when it comes to progressive rock.
First off, I know that this kind of a statement will tick off plenty of forum members, and I wouldn't expect otherwise. Pink Floyd are ridiculously popular, within the prog rock realm and with fans of classic rock as a whole. The reason why I think non-prog lovers enthuse over this band (and can't stand stuff like Genesis and Gentle Giant) is because I think only three Pink Floyd albums qualify as progressive. Those three albums are WISH YOU WERE HERE, ANIMALS, and THE WALL. The rest of their output is decidedly non-prog (falling more along the lines of psychedelic rock), including their most popular (and overrated) album, DARK SIDE OF THE MOON.
Forgive me if this topic has been done to death, but I just heard Money on the radio and I had to vent.
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I think you're forgetting such progressive works as Echoes and Atom Heart Mother. Let us not forget The Narrow Way, Grantchester Meadows, Saucerful of Secrets, Us and Them and so on. These are epic (or mini-epic) prog tracks all the way.
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I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?
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rushaholic
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Posted: January 16 2006 at 18:34 |
John Gargo wrote:
....is because I think only three Pink Floyd albums qualify as progressive. Those three albums are WISH YOU WERE HERE, ANIMALS, and THE WALL. The rest of their output is decidedly non-prog (falling more along the lines of psychedelic rock), including their most popular (and overrated) album, DARK SIDE OF THE MOON.
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Wrong! Wrong! Wrong! You make a statement like that and it makes me wonder if you even know what "progressive" even means. DSOTM is one of the greatest prog rock albums of all time. Yea, you say it is overrated (I disagree) but it doesn't matter. It is still a prog rock masterpiece. Have you even heard it all the way through, not just listening to Money on some FM station? Have you heard Atom Heart Mother or Meddle all the way through? You are entitled to your opinion but my opinion of yours is that it is a joke.
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akin
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Posted: January 16 2006 at 19:08 |
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Strange, for me, the Wall is one of their least progressive. Itīs
conceptual, but not much progressive. The songs are more
straightforward and radio-friendly.
If Atom Heart Mother and Meddle are not progressive, what is?
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krusty
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Posted: January 16 2006 at 19:10 |
chopper wrote:
They don't come much more prog than DSOTM.
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zabriskiepoint
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Posted: January 16 2006 at 19:14 |
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Meddle is extremely prog.
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Losendos
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Posted: January 16 2006 at 19:15 |
don't agree John
If the first side of Atom Heart Mother isn't prog then what is?
Meddle is a great album and so is Dark side of the moon.
I can't understand the logic of those who can DSOTM .Isn't the great gig in the sky a progressive masterpiece
The wall is much less progressive
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How wonderful to be so profound
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Drew
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Posted: January 16 2006 at 19:15 |
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F that- Echoes!
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Asyte2c00
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Posted: January 16 2006 at 19:26 |
Pink Floyd Album Breakdown
Psycadelic Rock:
Piper at the Gates of Dawn
Saucerful of Seacrets
Ummagumma (Live)
More
Progressive rock
The Complete Zabriskie Point Sessions
Meddle
Division Bell
Atom Heart Mother
Dark Side of the Moon
Wish You Were Here
Animals
Pop Rock:
The Wall
Momentasry Lapse of Reason
Obscured by Clouds (Its a soundtrack for a fil, so it has to be catchy and appealing to all)
Edited by Asyte2c00
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Fragile
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Posted: January 16 2006 at 19:37 |
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Hmmmmmmm, I love alot of Floyd's output but cannot rave as others do on their earlier works.Yes DSOTM is very good album but I much prefer Wish you were here.I do not hold them as highly in the prog echelons as I do others.They are fine musicians but their music is not as complex or involved as other top proggers;nor is it as good.They were always more accepted by the radio djs and media for some reason.Don't know if that was luck or what.But I do know they escaped the great purge in the UK around 1977 that savaged Yes only a year after they,(Yes) had topped every poll imaginable especially the Melody Maker's.This has been a source of discontent for me from that time.I still hold them dearly as they give me great musical pleasure.I loved the Division Bell but I cannot put them at the top of the prog hemisphere.
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