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Publius84

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Posted: February 03 2006 at 07:53

Ricochet wrote:

No way...Gabriel Genesis music was da bomb!!

Lamb is a 3-4 stars album.

^^^ True

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pero

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Posted: February 03 2006 at 07:48

You think that Collins era was more innovative then Gabriel and Hackett era.

Ounamahl

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Posted: February 03 2006 at 07:42

It is very reasonable to think that Genesis is "overated" (actually that word should be destroyed), because it is praised everywhere in progarchives. They even have 3 5 star albums and almost 4 (Nursery Cryme 4.49). I guess the hook in Genesis is the music they play, it is just "magical" put in short...
Amazing instrumental sections, wonderful vocalist, damn good drummer, beautifully playing guitarist and Tony Banks... they just made music which I think, any band did not achieve and will not achieve?...
Anyway Yes comes next because of their musical talent, but they do not have that athmosphere Genesis did. Of course there are so many great bands here so...

Tresspass ****½
Nursery Cryme *****
Foxtrot *****
Selling England *****
The Lamb ******
A Trick Of The Tail *****
W&W *****½

IMO

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richardh

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Posted: February 03 2006 at 07:32

Personally I think Trespass,Selling England By The Pound,Nursery Chryme and Lamb are all a bit overrated BUT Foxtrot is every bit as good as people say! Genesis (gabriel era) were a remarkably consistent band but not very innovative IMO.On balance I actually prefer the 4 studio albums they did post Gabriel if you take Foxtrot out of the equation.

erlenst

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Posted: February 03 2006 at 07:16

Syzygy wrote:

Genesis were the band that got me into prog, but I don't think any of their albums is an unqualified 5* masterpiece. There are substandard tracks on all the Gabriel era albums, although they also contain some of the defining pieces of 70s symphonic prog. Having said that, if somebody can sit through The Battle of Epping Forest and still call SEBTP a flawless masterpiece, they're entitled to that opinion. It's one of the great things about this site.

Actually, the only thing that makes SEBTP a bit less than flawless, is I Know What I Like, and to a small degree More Fool Me. The Battle of Epping Forest is without any doubt their most underrated track ever.

pero

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Posted: February 03 2006 at 07:15

1. From genesis to revelation **

2. Tresspas ****

3. Nursery crime ***

4. Foxtrot *****

5. Selin England by the pound ***

6. Lamb lies *****

7. Genesis live ***

Syzygy

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Posted: February 03 2006 at 07:12

Genesis were the band that got me into prog, but I don't think any of their albums is an unqualified 5* masterpiece. There are substandard tracks on all the Gabriel era albums, although they also contain some of the defining pieces of 70s symphonic prog. Having said that, if somebody can sit through The Battle of Epping Forest and still call SEBTP a flawless masterpiece, they're entitled to that opinion. It's one of the great things about this site.

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Soulman

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Posted: February 03 2006 at 03:10

moonlitbay wrote:

I may disturbe some souls here, but I have a little theory that I ask you to think of....

Is it too popular to give Genesis (Gabriel-era) 5 points. Do they get it because of the name or because of the music??

My point is that some may think "well well, everybody likes it so why don't I join them and give them 5 stars myself, that'll make them happy..."

I like Genesis myself, but in my opinion it's only "Lamb.." that beserves 5 stars.

Comments??

You may disturb SOME souls, but seriously dude, this form of music is so so far off from what is "accepted" by the majority of society that I doubt anyone who's apart of this community would really care what anyone would think. That's the reason why we're here. Not because everyone else is doing it, but because we enjoy ourselves individually.

Unless you haven't noticed, this music form we call prog is a very self-indulgent music form. People listen to it because it brings fresh air to their existence, and it's satisfying to them.

And I don't know what country you live in, but the majority people I know who listen to prog have their own opinions, ESPECIALLY on prog, and even if it isn't the most developed and inept opinion, it is THEIR OPINION..

...And to bring this all on Genesis, for shame dude. I'm not sure what made you bring this on Genesis. Like Yes or ELP they are humble bands. It's not like they or their devoted crowd of fans run some kind of tyrannical cult in which they have to have only solid opinion on that bands music.

Soulman

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Posted: February 03 2006 at 03:04

RoyalJelly wrote:

Thank you for sharing your daring new theory...it's true, we're
all totally intimidated by all the 5 star reviews, so scared
sh*tless that, having no opinions of our own, we go along with
the pack, just to fit in.

I'm so ashamed.

Oh crap, I'm FOILED!

Marwin

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Posted: February 03 2006 at 02:56

to me Nursey Cryme and Selling England deserve 5 stars. I havent heard Foxtrot enough to give a rating but i have listened to Suppers Ready and that is an amazing song. Lamb maybe 4 stars

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erlenst

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Posted: February 03 2006 at 02:36

Well, you're completely wrong. Nursery Cryme, Foxtrot, Selling England are all 5 star masterpieces.

However, The Lamb is grotesquely overrated and does not have the wonderful, magical "Genesis-atmosphere" at all. 3 stars.

Gaspy Conana View Drop Down

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Posted: February 03 2006 at 02:14

I think Foxtrot, Lamb, and maybe Selling England all deserve at least 4 stars. :)

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RoyalJelly View Drop Down

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Posted: February 03 2006 at 02:06

Thank you for sharing your daring new theory...it's true, we're
all totally intimidated by all the 5 star reviews, so scared
sh*tless that, having no opinions of our own, we go along with
the pack, just to fit in.

I'm so ashamed.

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martinprog77 View Drop Down

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