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FragileDT 
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 Posted: February 12 2006 at 10:30 |
 Winter Wine wrote:
FragileDT wrote:
Progger wrote:
micky wrote:
masterpieces from the Big 6 (can't have Genesis
without Tull... in my book) hmm...Yes:The Yes AlbumCttE
YessongsTFTORelayerGFTO(that was a run of brilliance not matched in
prog IMO) |
Agreed Mickey, those six albums are all masterpieces. The reason why
YES are considered to be the ultimate prog band! No other band had the
same consistency as YES, no one even came close!
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Yes was consistant? News to me. |
Yes are probably the most consistent band in progressive rock, they've
left their mark in every decade, and still producing great work. Excellent
group.
PS - Micky you left out Fragile |
I would disagree 100%. Yes began with YES and Time and a Word. Both
good albums but not yet resembling the prog sound (Time and a Word
being the transition album.) Than we have 3 albums that people may
consider masterpieces (the Yes album, Fragile, CTTE) following by an
excellent live album Yessongs. Now we have Tales. We all know the
controversy with that album. Next we have Relayer and Going for the one
which most people consider great albums (as do I.)
Now the great division. The transition album into the crap period for yes:
Tormato. I consider Drama a diversion of yes (not really a Yes album) but
if you do consider it an all out yes album it is their last fantastic one. This
next period is full of terrible non prog music. 90125, Big Generator,
Union, Talk, Open Your Eyes. Terrible, Terrible, Terrible, Terrible. Maybe a
good song here and there but nothing even worth mentioning.
The next era includes that Ladder and Magnification. The Ladder was
decent, nothing too special while I found Magnification to be the first
pretty good Yes album in a long long time (since Drama.)
Now... you call that consistant?
EDIT: Yes had just as many fantastic 5 star albums as terrible 1-2 star
albums. Just thought I'd note that also. And I LOVE yes so don't think I'm
bashing them for the sake of it. I'm just stating that they weren't
consistant.
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Winter Wine
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Posted: February 12 2006 at 10:24 |
FragileDT wrote:
Progger wrote:
micky wrote:
masterpieces from the Big 6 (can't
have Genesis without Tull... in my book) hmm...Yes:The Yes AlbumCttE
YessongsTFTORelayerGFTO(that was a run of brilliance not matched in prog
IMO) |
Agreed Mickey, those six albums are all masterpieces. The reason why
YES are considered to be the ultimate prog band! No other band had the
same consistency as YES, no one even came close!
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Yes was consistant? News to me. |
Yes are probably the most consistent band in progressive rock, they've left their mark in every decade, and still producing great work. Excellent group.
PS - Micky you left out Fragile
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FragileDT
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Posted: February 12 2006 at 10:17 |
Progger wrote:
micky wrote:
masterpieces from the Big 6 (can't
have Genesis without Tull... in my book) hmm...Yes:The Yes AlbumCttE
YessongsTFTORelayerGFTO(that was a run of brilliance not matched in prog
IMO) |
Agreed Mickey, those six albums are all masterpieces. The reason why
YES are considered to be the ultimate prog band! No other band had the
same consistency as YES, no one even came close! |
Yes was consistant? News to me.
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One likes to believe
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White Duck
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Posted: February 12 2006 at 10:08 |
For these five:
YES: I´m not a big fan but i like Close to the edge and Relayer
ELP: Pictures at an exhibition and ELP.I think they shouldn´t be in the list.
GENESIS: Nursery crime , Foxtrot and Selling England by the pound are masterpieces for me.
PINK FLOYD: Wish you were here.
KING CRIMSON: In the court,Larks tongues in aspic,Red and Starless and bible black are great, really great.
MY LIST OF THE BIG 5: JETHRO TULL,GENESIS,KING CRIMSON,GENTLE GIANT AND FRANK ZAPPA
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Flying Dutchman
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Posted: February 12 2006 at 09:40 |
Yes- The Yes Album, Close to the Edge, Relayer, Going for the One
Genesis- Trespass and Foxtrot
ELP- Pictures at an Exhibition, Brain Salad Surgery (a masterpiece, although not without flaws)
King Crimson- of what I've heard (ItCotCK thru Lizard, Starless and Bible Black) only Court is a masterpiece, and even that has a few flaws.
Pink Floyd- Animals IMO is their only masterpiece, although Wish You Were Here is good and Dark Side is alright. I like Meddle, the Wall bores me, and that's all I have heard.
And BTW I think it should be the big 8- Yes, Genesis, ELP, King Crimson, Pink Floyd, Rush, Jethro Tull, Van der Graaf Generator. Maybe Camel and Gentle Giant too, but I haven't heard much of them.
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micky
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Posted: February 12 2006 at 08:43 |
Tales wrote:
Personally, i think there is only a big 3!
Genesis, King Crimson, Jethro tull , Camel and Gentle Giant are in
the division below! I think they are great bands but not in the
same historical context of prog rock as the 3 I mentioned! |
agree with that.... always saw a divide between the big 3... the big 6 .... and then the rest of prog.
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Posted: February 12 2006 at 07:15 |
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I would have chosen Jethro in the top 5 instead of ELP,too.
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Winter Wine
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Posted: February 12 2006 at 06:57 |
I'm surprised at how many people (though I guess it was to be expected) ranted on about who should be the 'Big 5' 'Big 10' and 'Big 20', to be honest that is irrelevant in my opinion, the five bands I mentioned are always the bands who come up in magazines, books etc. etc. etc. I'm sure Tull have a bigger selection of excellent albums than ELP but that's not really what I asked for was it?! And I never asked for YOUR top five bands either, but there's always a few.
I'm surprised at how many people didn't say 'The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway' and that there was a lot of albums mentioned that would be nowhere near 5 stars, 'Ummagumma', 'Works vol. one'  and so on..
I can understand why some people say 'In the Court' though I personally wouldn't give it 5 stars.
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Posted: February 12 2006 at 06:36 |
Genesis:
- Foxtrot
- Selling England
- The Lamb
- Trick
- Nursery Cryme
- Duke 
Yes:
- The Yes Album
- Relayer
- Close to the edge
- Going for the one
Pink Floyd:
- Wish I were there 
- Meddle
ELP:
- Brain Salad Surgery
King Crimson:
- In the court of the crimson king
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Tales
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Posted: February 12 2006 at 06:21 |
Personally, i think there is only a big 3!
Genesis, King Crimson, Jethro tull , Camel and Gentle Giant are in the division below! I think they are great bands but not in the same historical context of prog rock as the 3 I mentioned!
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Progger
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Posted: February 12 2006 at 06:17 |
Publius84 wrote:
^ What are you talking about?
UK released only 2 albums and Genesis were pioners of progressive symphonic sound. |
ABSOLUTE RUBBISH. YOU NEED A HISTORY LESSON IN SYMPHONIC MUSIC. I CAN NAME YOU THREE SYMPHONIC ALBUMS FROM THE 60'S ALONE . AND IF YOU READ GENESIS BIOGRAPHIES THEY ADMIT THAT THEY GOT THERE SOUND FROM 'PROCUL HARUM, THE NICE, KING CRIMSON, MOODY BLUES ECT!
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Tommy
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Posted: February 12 2006 at 06:12 |
ELP-BSS, TARKUS, TRILIOGY. WORKS VOL 1, BLACK MOON
YES-THE YES ALBUM, FRAGILE, RELAYER, DRAMA, TALES.
GENESIS-WIND AND WUTHERING, DUKE. [Never liked Gabriel Genesis. Tried but lots of averge songs on them]
KING CRIMSON-LIZARD, RED are the only one's I like. [i wouldn't call them a top 5 band]
PINK FLOYD-MEDDLE, WYWH, DSOTH,THE WALL.
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Posted: February 12 2006 at 06:11 |
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^ What are you talking about?
UK released only 2 albums and Genesis were pioners of progressive symphonic sound.
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Progger
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Posted: February 12 2006 at 06:03 |
People seem to forget that Genesis only became 'big' in the 80's. If were talking purely about prog rock then Genesis cannot be considered a top 5 band!
THE TOP FIVE ACTUALLY IS
- YES
- ELP
- PINK FLOYD
- JETHRO TULL
- UK
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Posted: February 12 2006 at 05:48 |
Winter Wine wrote:
What do you think are the masterpieces (ie. flawless 5 star gems) from the big five?? I reckon -
Yes - The Yes Album, Fragile, Close to the Edge, Relayer and Going for the One.
Pink Floyd - The Dark Side of the Moon, Wish You Were Here and Animals (Meddle and The Wall i'd give 4 and a half as they both have weak points)
Genesis - Foxtrot, Selling England by the Pound, The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway, and A Trick of the Tail (Nursery Cryme, IMO, Does not deserve 5 stars)
ELP - Trilogy and Brain Salad Surgery
King Crimson - Larks Tongues in Aspic (This one is the only one that I'd consider flawless, and it's just amazing!! Lizard follows closely behind - 4 and a half. I know Red and In the Court.. will come up a lot, but I feel they have big gaps in quality at some stage)
I thought this would be an interesting topic of discussion, to see what albums by the big 5 people consider to be the masterpieces of the groups.
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Well, it's debateable whether or not ELP are one of the big 5. Jethro Tull fans would certainly argue that one, not to mention Rush, Gentle Giant and Camel. Anway Winter Wine, your list is a pretty good one. For Yes, only CTTE, Relayer and GFTO are their 5 star masterpieces imo. The other 2 have filler that knocks them down a bit. For Genesis, Nursery Cryme knocks Trick into the proverbial cocked hat imo. I'd agree with you about KC and ELP.
Not sure about Animals, haven't really heard it enough.
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Posted: February 12 2006 at 05:29 |
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forget about floyd, elp and crimson as big 5 proggers ;). Say hello to Tull, Gentle Giant and Camel :D
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White Duck
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Posted: February 12 2006 at 05:28 |
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Why people always forget Jethro Tull?
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Posted: February 12 2006 at 05:24 |
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King Crimson:
ITCOTCK, Lizard (the title track + Cirkus alone deserve 5 stars), Islands, Red
ELP:
none, really (like Trilogy most)
Pink Floyd:
Atom Heart Mother, Wish you Were here
Genesis:
Nursery Cryme, Foxtrot, Selling England, Lamb
Yes:
Close to the Edge, Relayer
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Posted: February 12 2006 at 05:22 |
BaldFriede wrote:
The "Big Five" are not my big five. My big five are Gong, Hawkwind, Magma, Van der Graaf Generator and Amon Düül 2. Their masterpieces are:
Gong - You
Hawkwind - Warrior at the Edge of Time
Magma - Mekhanik Destruktiw Kommandöh
Van der Graaf Generator: Pawn Hearts
Amon Düül 2 - Tanz der Lemminge.
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Interesting choices there, it's not my Big Five either.
Can't get into Yes, don't like ELP and I do like some VDGG but not enough. King Crimson is a very acquired taste.
Genesis : SETTP
Pink Floyd : WYWH
Gentle Giant : Octopus
Jethro Tull : Aqualung
At this moment this spot is taken by Banco del Mutuo Soccorso with Darwin!
I was wondering are you and Jean always of one mind ?
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Posted: February 12 2006 at 05:20 |
Yes - Close To The Edge
Pink Floyd - Wish You Were Here
Genesis - Foxtrot,A Trick Of The Tail
ELP - None (but the peices Karn Evil 9 and Tarkus are masterpeices)
King Crimson -None
There are few real masterpeices IMO.Far too many albums are overrated in this category.
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