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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 19 2006 at 14:32
Originally posted by Peter Peter wrote:

Seriously, for whatever reasons (biology, society, both), I have found that the majority of dedicated music (of any type) fans are males. There are many such general differences in the predilections of the genders, but there are always exceptions! (For example, I'd much rather watch a non-violent, dialogue-driven historical drama -- from Jane Austen, say -- than a macho "action" flic. Oh what a freak am I


You complete and utter.... girl! You, with your la-di-da Jane Austen and high falutin' language; what do you think this forum is for - women?

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Sorry - don't quite know what came over me, there.

I personally know quite a few ladies of the female persuasion who are not adverse to long-winded well written music, one especially (a long absent member of this forum) my wife - I have to say, it took a while to persuade her of prog rock's many and varied merits (especially after she saw a 1984 film of Yes, after which she referred to a certain vocalist as "that mincing tart"), but the hard work paid off, and she now loves the oevre...

She also loves the fact that when we go to a prog gig, there's never a queue for the ladies loos, as 99% of the audience is made up of greying men of a 'certain' age.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 19 2006 at 15:30

Originally posted by Jim Garten Jim Garten wrote:

99% of the audience is made up of greying men of a 'certain' age.

Yes the Dark Age...

..or should that be Dork Ages..... 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2006 at 09:32
I've learned that women do like prog, the thing is that they haven't been as exposed to it as males. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2006 at 09:56
Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Originally posted by robertplantowns robertplantowns wrote:

One reason women do not like prog because is because they can't relate to the lyrics.  For women lyrics are of an ultimate importance and they like sappy lyrics more than a good riff or chord progression.  Women like to be able to sing along to music, and for women, the meaning of the song is more important than the music itself.  Have you ever heard a woman say, "Hey check out that sweet interplay between those instruments." or, "wow the chord structures are so brilliant", or "hey check out that sick virtuosic solo" no simply because most women do not really care about those sorts of things. MOST.  Not to say that women can't like prog or classical or jazz music, but they tend to prefer it for the "feeling" the music exudes rather than the sake of just listening to some interesting chords, lines, complex arrangements etc.  Which is not to say that listening to music for its "feeling" is the wrong way of listening to music, but generally, women tend to hear music on a feeling standpoint.  Ohh these lyrics make me feel this way, this song is soo sad, this is my sad collection of songs.  (have you ever met a guy who has a "sad" collection of songs, or a "happy" collection)  Oh this song is so romantic and makes me feel something something.  Oh this classical song, or progressive rock song "feels" nice, but they won't like music for it's sheer virtuosity, complexity, originality, weird factor, or progressive qualities, which is what progressive music is all about.  For instance, a woman could NEVER get into some really technical, atonal, math-metal that is so complex and intricate but doesn't give off any feeling whatsoever.  THAT's why women tend to dislike progressive rock.

Well, I think anyone who listens to music just to look for complex arrangements or interesting chords has his head stuck up his bum, to be honest. Why don't you just read the sheet music instead? You might as well look at paintings to search for curves of interesting functions! That's what's wrong with some of the modern composers, by the way. The concept is more important to them than the sound. I really don't care that Krachmanninoff's "Concerto for Badly Tuned Orchestra and Two Sewing-Machines" makes use of the fastest and most complex rhythms ever (the syncopated rhythms of the sewing needles working at a slightly different tempo) or that Noisoffski's "Symphony for 200 Refrigerators" mixes the sounds of these refrigerators in a really intricate way if the result of it does not move me a bit. If you are not able to fill your complexity with a soul, you are not a musician, you are a technician.
If it is all about complexity, write a complicated computer program that will do things no-one has done before and no-human being can play and then play it to another computer; maybe the other computer will enjoy it.
   
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2006 at 15:06
I think alot of you are stereotyping women with many of these comments.
There are probably as many males as females that aren't into prog as much as the commercial stuff.
Maybe you should take some time to get to know some other women.
I have many female friends, sisters and a girlfriend that loves prog. You don't have to be a musician to appreciate good music. However you may have to put some effort into finding a friend (male or female) that does appreciate prog. And when you find them, hold on to them!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2006 at 15:21

Originally posted by Jim Garten Jim Garten wrote:



She also loves the fact that when we go to a prog gig, there's never a queue for the ladies loos, as 99% of the audience is made up of greying men of a 'certain' age.

Sorry to contradict you... but I remember when, two years ago, I went to see Rush in Milan and I had to queue for about a quarter of an hour to get into the ladies! The gents, on the other hand, was almost empty... So much for stereotypes!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2006 at 15:49
Or, as Peter Gabriel said so distinctly, "Lady, kiss that prog..."  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2006 at 16:58
Originally posted by martinprog77 martinprog77 wrote:

IM SURE THIS ONE WAS POST BEFORE BUT ANYWAY.IM NOT SURE WHY .ALL THE GIRLS I KNOW NOBODY LIKE PROG[SOME DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT PROG IS ABOUT]AND PREFERT TO LISTEN POP OR SOMETHING LIKE RICKY MARTIN.EVEN MY WIFE DONT LIKE IT TOO MUCH[EXCEPT CAMEL,SPOCKS BEARD,GENESIS,AND THE FLOWER KINGS]SO ANYBODY KNOW WHY WOMEN ARENT INTO PROG?AND WOMEN OUT THERE CAN YOU ANWSER THIS ONE...PS THE FIRST WOMAN I KNOW WHO WAS INTO PROG IS MY MOM[ SHE IS A BIG FAN OF QUEEN,PINK FLOYD,CAMEL,GENESIS AND YES].TO MY MOTHER NOEMI I LOVE YOUFOR EVERYTHING

I think my mum doesn't like it because she wasn't a kid in that era .. Maybe women don't like it because it's heavy :x


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2006 at 17:32
Originally posted by ¢¾Old¢¾Hen¢¾ ¢¾Old¢¾Hen¢¾ wrote:

I think my mum doesn't like it because she wasn't a kid in that era .. Maybe women don't like it because it's heavy :x



Obviously, not all prog is heavy! Try Camel or Caravan for example.

PS. Could you use a bigger font so it would be easier to read?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2006 at 02:21

 

               ....because they can't dance to it.

 

 

 

 

                                                                           

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2006 at 03:30

I like it!   

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2006 at 03:33
I like it too. And I can dance to it. In fact it is a lot more interesting to dance to than what is usually offered as "dance music".
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2006 at 04:32

Originally posted by robertplantowns robertplantowns wrote:

One reason women do not like prog because is because they can't relate to the lyrics.  For women lyrics are of an ultimate importance and they like sappy lyrics more than a good riff or chord progression.  Women like to be able to sing along to music, and for women, the meaning of the song is more important than the music itself.  Have you ever heard a woman say, "Hey check out that sweet interplay between those instruments." or, "wow the chord structures are so brilliant", or "hey check out that sick virtuosic solo" no simply because most women do not really care about those sorts of things. MOST.  Not to say that women can't like prog or classical or jazz music, but they tend to prefer it for the "feeling" the music exudes rather than the sake of just listening to some interesting chords, lines, complex arrangements etc.  Which is not to say that listening to music for its "feeling" is the wrong way of listening to music, but generally, women tend to hear music on a feeling standpoint.  Ohh these lyrics make me feel this way, this song is soo sad, this is my sad collection of songs.  (have you ever met a guy who has a "sad" collection of songs, or a "happy" collection)  Oh this song is so romantic and makes me feel something something.  Oh this classical song, or progressive rock song "feels" nice, but they won't like music for it's sheer virtuosity, complexity, originality, weird factor, or progressive qualities, which is what progressive music is all about.  For instance, a woman could NEVER get into some really technical, atonal, math-metal that is so complex and intricate but doesn't give off any feeling whatsoever.  THAT's why women tend to dislike progressive rock.    

a lot of what you say is true unfortunately regarding SOME women but many of your comments are rather sexist....!!!! shame on you - i can hear the few female prog fans we've got reading the above angrily throwing their mice at their computer screens right now! seriously, it's all down to personal taste - i've known lots of women into all types of prog but most seem to dislike heavy metal with a passion.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2006 at 04:33
There is not many males either that listen to prog
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2006 at 08:41
I know some girls that like progressive rock... to be honest, I don't like the others
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2006 at 08:44

I like small writing :)

Meh, rock music doesn't interest mum .. she's into UB40 and simply red ...


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2006 at 08:46

Originally posted by Chicapah Chicapah wrote:

Or, as Peter Gabriel said so distinctly, "Lady, kiss that prog..."  

He said that?

:x 

Lol :D

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2006 at 08:48
My wife was singing Comforatbly numb and Shine on you crazy diamond while we were making breakfast this morning.... 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2006 at 09:12

Originally posted by Dr. Occulator Dr. Occulator wrote:

I think alot of you are stereotyping women with many of these comments.
There are probably as many males as females that aren't into prog as much as the commercial stuff.
Maybe you should take some time to get to know some other women.
I have many female friends, sisters and a girlfriend that loves prog. You don't have to be a musician to appreciate good music. However you may have to put some effort into finding a friend (male or female) that does appreciate prog. And when you find them, hold on to them!!!!!!!!!!!!

Finally, an intelligent remark... as a deep prog-lover, and most definitely of the female gender, I seriously began to doubt whether a lot of you males over here have ever seriously tried to understand a woman.

One thing *I* wonder about is how it is possible that so many of the 'prog-males' over here seem to actually be married to a someone that doesn't share their interest. I wouldn't be able to stay in such a marriage, actually... guess it's my wrong.

No offense intended BTW - let's all just keep enjoying the music we love!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2006 at 09:36

Originally posted by Dragon Phoenix Dragon Phoenix wrote:

My wife was singing Comforatbly numb and Shine on you crazy diamond while we were making breakfast this morning.... 

Awww ...

sweet :)

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