Regresive!!!.... Ja Ja Ja!!!

So, what are these sounds of the future that we are being denied?

Anyway, I was kind of kidding, but still, some of that free dramatic statement represents what I feel. I get sick of those 70's bands from the 90's. Regressive is just the word I was looking for...

Firepuck wrote: And what is wrong with sounds from the past?

Nothing, as long as they are trully from the past. ¿Would you pass some baroque music composed last year as something representative of the artistic sensibility from that period?. Context and time are parameters for every form of Art. (Sorry about that, it sounds too theoreticall. I'm a free spirit, believe me, but I do enjoy some conceptual framework around things, being an amateur writer as I am, etc...)

TRoTZ wrote: i agree with you cuncuna. Most of the progressive bands nowadays are not "progressive" they should be called regressive. For me, progressive rock incorporates the idea of fusing new ideas to creat something NEW, DIFFERENT! And in that class, i only find bands like PORCUPINE TREE, TOOL, RADIOHEAD, SIGUR ROS, GODSPEED YOU BLACK EMPEROR and some few others. Bands like Flower Kings or Spock's Beard are pure regressive rock, as most of the "prog" done nowadays...

Great words!

I completely agree with you!

cuncuna wrote: Firepuck wrote: And what is wrong with sounds from the past? Nothing, as long as they are trully from the past. ¿Would you pass some baroque music composed last year as something representative of the artistic sensibility from that period?. Context and time are parameters for every form of Art. (Sorry about that, it sounds too theoreticall. I'm a free spirit, believe me, but I do enjoy some conceptual framework around things, being an amateur writer as I am, etc...)

No, but does that make it any less progressive?

As an example. The Watch released 'Vacuum' last year and even though it has a definite Gabrielesque Genesis sound to it it is still fresh and new (IMHO).

I wouldn't try to pass it off as a 1970's piece of music, or try to pass it off as representative of symphonic progressive music from that period. But it should be allowed to stand as an example of a type of progressive music being produced today.

I can't imagine anyone trying to pigeonhole baroque music to a particular decade, and the fact that it is still being written and produced today doesn't diminish it's quality or importance - I think it elevates it.

Hopefully in the decades to come the same will be true with progressive rock music. I hope that some of the 'progressive' groups of the 2070's will be writing and producing music that can be unique yet can still be founded in the past. That way, our music will continue to live on...

I guess the problem may be that the term "progressive" rock refers to not only a description of music that expands our acceptance of what is rock, but also, it is a term used to refer to a period of creativity (60's - 70's) when this became important to many people. I think that this web site uses a better description. For example: The Watch is under the sub-gender neo progressive and bands like Wobbler and The Flower Kings are symphonic prog. So now the the question becomes; are symphonic prog bands regressive?

Well, to solve that, we should take a look at the term in just one way: THE WAY I SEE IT ...
No, seriously, to make this simple; I see the word "Regressive" (within this context; I know that the word exists since a lot of time, please write better jokes) as in "Band that is now, on this times, trying to emulate some of the styles from the past, instead of trying to get ahead of Sigur Rós or GYBE. And yes, out of the original context, any sign is obsolete. Art is a bunch os signs, merged and ordered by a special someone, etc. Cool "Progressive" vybe: Adrian Bellew; Trent Reznor, David Bowie, Bryan Eno, etc. Uncool (Regressive): I don't know. I here a lot of stuff on the radio, but I don't catch the names, because of my "Regressive" (now I know how to call it) filter, that prevents me to go for copies. The flower kings and Thomas Bodin are into my "please, no" list. Werid: Dreamtheater. Kansas like, but on somekind of overdose, and without good lyrics. And... I love Animal Collective.

cmidkiff wrote: yea!! ..any band that uses drums, bass electric or acoustic guitar, piano, synth, vocals, are all regressive , these instuments along with a ton of other instruments have been used so much for so long its rediculous. Also, they shouldn't use verses and choruses because that is ancient too!

This isn't very helpfull. Exploration and experimentation, instead of revival. ¿How would you feel if the end of your life catches you with no new experiences on your ears?. As for me, I want to see if someone can create something extraordinary again. Animal Collective is very near. So is Sigur Rós. And by the way; there are new instruments; and new ways to produce music...

Using some of the comments put forward on this thread would lead you to the conclusion that only the FIRST album of any group MAY POSSIBLY meet the criteria to be called progressive, after that - it's all been done before...

 

Everybody's talkin' 'bout the new sound

Funny, but it's still progressive rock to me

Krautrock, Art Rock, Zeuhl, RIO

It's still progressive rock to me

Post Rock, Space Rock, Canterbury, Regressive

It's still progressive rock to me!

 

(Billy Joel wannabe)

Firepuck wrote: Using some of the comments put forward on this thread would lead you to the conclusion that only the FIRST album of any group MAY POSSIBLY meet the criteria to be called progressive, after that - it's all been done before...   Everybody's talkin' 'bout the new sound Funny, but it's still progressive rock to me Krautrock, Art Rock, Zeuhl, RIO It's still progressive rock to me Post Rock, Space Rock, Canterbury, Regressive It's still progressive rock to me!   (Billy Joel wannabe)

I wouldn't say that. Take Pink Floyd, for example. Progressive from first album to, probably, The wall (wich is more political driven). Is the evolution...