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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2006 at 04:42
No one mentioned Supper's Ready yet?
Gabriel sings about Narcissus and Pythagoras.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2006 at 05:02
Pythagoras is not really Mythology, is he? Wink

about Styx, are you sure this isn't Roman Mythology? As far as I know it's a river in the underworld, which appears in the Aeneis by Vergil who was a Roman.
Is there any appearance in Greek Mythology too?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2006 at 05:14
Lots of bands took their names from Greek mythology: Atlas, Medea, Icarus and Ikarus (different spellings of the same name), Daedalus and Dedalus (see Icarus), Midas, Minotaurus, Hamadryad, Iris, Priam, Orion, Orpheo (variation of Orpheus), Tantalus. To name a few.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2006 at 07:17
let's not forget "The Three Fates" (Cllotho, Lachesis, Atropos) by ELP


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2006 at 07:24
Originally posted by BebieM BebieM wrote:

Pythagoras is not really Mythology, is he? Wink

about Styx, are you sure this isn't Roman Mythology? As far as I know it's a river in the underworld, which appears in the Aeneis by Vergil who was a Roman.
Is there any appearance in Greek Mythology too?




The Romans borrowed hugely from the Greeks, in many cases simply changing names or shoe-horning an obscure Roman name onto an established classic Greek entity. The Styx came from Greece - it was one of the rivers of the underworld which was the abode of the god Hades. The Styx separated the underworld from the world of the living. The infamous Achilles Heel came about because the boy Achilles was dipped into the Styx to give him immortality, but the heel was missed out, hence it became his week spot.

Lesson over ....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2006 at 07:26
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Du Skojar om att jag Skojar men jag skojar inte alls
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2006 at 07:35
A propos Achilles: "Achilles Last Stand" by Led Zeppelin... (though I don't really know what this song is about...)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2006 at 07:36
There is also the song Orpheus by David Sylvian.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2006 at 07:44
Originally posted by Fassbinder Fassbinder wrote:

A propos Achilles: "Achilles Last Stand" by Led Zeppelin... (though I don't really know what this song is about...)
Yes, it also mentions "the mighty arms of Atlas". I always thought this was about Led Zep going on tour ("it was an April morning when they told us we should go") but it could be about Plant and his wife going on holiday to Greece (or Plant and Page).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2006 at 07:57
Originally posted by Joolz Joolz wrote:

Originally posted by BebieM BebieM wrote:

Pythagoras is not really Mythology, is he? Wink

about Styx, are you sure this isn't Roman Mythology? As far as I know it's a river in the underworld, which appears in the Aeneis by Vergil who was a Roman.
Is there any appearance in Greek Mythology too?




The Romans borrowed hugely from the Greeks, in many cases simply changing names or shoe-horning an obscure Roman name onto an established classic Greek entity. The Styx came from Greece - it was one of the rivers of the underworld which was the abode of the god Hades. The Styx separated the underworld from the world of the living. The infamous Achilles Heel came about because the boy Achilles was dipped into the Styx to give him immortality, but the heel was missed out, hence it became his week spot.

Lesson over ....
LOL

there were actually five rivers in the Greek Underworld: Styx (the river of hate), Acheron (the river of woe), Phlegethon (the river of fire), Cocytus (the river of wailing) and Lethe (the river of forgetfulness). Virgil mentions the Eridanos as river of the Underworld too in his Aeneid.
and a little correction: Achilles was bathed in the waters of the Styx not for giving him immortality, but for giving him invulnerability. his mother Thetis forgot to dip the heel she held him by into the water too


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2006 at 08:27
Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

there were actually five rivers in the Greek Underworld: Styx (the river of hate), Acheron (the river of woe), Phlegethon (the river of fire), Cocytus (the river of wailing) and Lethe (the river of forgetfulness). Virgil mentions the Eridanos as river of the Underworld too in his Aeneid.
and a little correction: Achilles was bathed in the waters of the Styx not for giving him immortality, but for giving him invulnerability. his mother Thetis forgot to dip the heel she held him by into the water too


"According to some versions, Styx had miraculous powers and could make someone immortal. Achilles may have been dipped in it in his childhood, acquiring invulnerability, with exception of his heel, which was held by his mother in order to submerge him." [from well known encyclopedia]

In other words, Thetis attempted to make him immortal so that he was invulnerable.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2006 at 10:36
haha Latin nerds, Blind Guardian has a 14 minute long epic on the trojan war.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2006 at 10:37
Originally posted by Fassbinder Fassbinder wrote:

A propos Achilles: "Achilles Last Stand" by Led Zeppelin... (though I don't really know what this song is about...)



It's not about anything mythological, the title being largely metaphorical for some life experience. Fantastic song, though - and very proggy!Thumbs Up
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2006 at 10:39
Originally posted by Fassbinder Fassbinder wrote:

Jethro Tull "Cold Wind to Valhalla" seems to be related to the mythology (not Greek, though).


There are indeed references to Norse mythology ("Valkyrie maidens cry/ on the cold wind to Valhalla), but the song is mostly about the search for success. BTW, it's one of my favourite JT songs.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2006 at 10:48
The only Therion albums I have are Sirius B and Lemuria, but they have a few on Greek myths. "Typhon" (on the monster born from Tartarus and Gaia), "Dark Venus Persephone" (comparing Hades' temporary partner to Venus/Aphrodite) and "An Arrow From The Sun" (about Apollo and Olympia). The last song of Sirius B is called "Feuer Overture/Prometheus Entfesselt" and, although written in German (?) has references to Zeus, Pandora and Herakles, as well the Titan.
 
And you've got to love Symphony X's "The Odyssey".
 
EDIT: Also Nick Cave's "Lyre Of Orpheus". But I suppose it's not that prog.
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2006 at 11:27
Originally posted by BebieM BebieM wrote:

Pythagoras is not really Mythology, is he? Wink

about Styx, are you sure this isn't Roman Mythology? As far as I know it's a river in the underworld, which appears in the Aeneis by Vergil who was a Roman.
Is there any appearance in Greek Mythology too?




Both. Pythagoras was a real-life mathematican and philosopher of ancient greece. According to myth he is also the inventor of music. I think that Gabriel has the later in mind when he sings that Pythagoras writes, in blood, the lyrics of a brand new tune.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2006 at 12:14
Wishbone Ash used some references to Greek mythology in their early records : 'Phoenix', 'Argus'(+ the cover), 'Persephone'.

Edited by Alucard - July 05 2006 at 12:23
Tadpoles keep screaming in my ear
"Hey there! Rotter's Club!
Explain the meaning of this song and share it"

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2006 at 12:25
The Greek Neo-Prog band La Tulipe Noire's latest album, Nostimon Hemar, is a concept album based on ancient Greek mythology:


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2006 at 12:27
Originally posted by Joolz Joolz wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

there were actually five rivers in the Greek Underworld: Styx (the river of hate), Acheron (the river of woe), Phlegethon (the river of fire), Cocytus (the river of wailing) and Lethe (the river of forgetfulness). Virgil mentions the Eridanos as river of the Underworld too in his Aeneid.
and a little correction: Achilles was bathed in the waters of the Styx not for giving him immortality, but for giving him invulnerability. his mother Thetis forgot to dip the heel she held him by into the water too


"According to some versions, Styx had miraculous powers and could make someone immortal. Achilles may have been dipped in it in his childhood, acquiring invulnerability, with exception of his heel, which was held by his mother in order to submerge him." [from well known encyclopedia]

In other words, Thetis attempted to make him immortal so that he was invulnerable.

that's by far not the same; Achilles would still have had to undergo an aging process and finally diie. for the ancient Greek immortality diid not automatically mean eternal youth, as the story of the Goddess Eos and her human lover Tithonios shows. she begged Zeus for immortality for her lover, which was granted, but forgot to beg for eternal youth too, so Tithonios grew older and older and weaker and weaker but could not die, until Zeus finally had pity on him and turned him into a grasshopper


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2006 at 14:32
Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

 
there were actually five rivers in the Greek Underworld: Styx (the river of hate), Acheron (the river of woe), Phlegethon (the river of fire), Cocytus (the river of wailing) and Lethe (the river of forgetfulness). Virgil mentions the Eridanos as river of the Underworld too in his Aeneid.
and a little correction: Achilles was bathed in the waters of the Styx not for giving him immortality, but for giving him invulnerability. his mother Thetis forgot to dip the heel she held him by into the water too

 
where did u learn all that ? they dont teach us such things in Greek schools... Cry
 
BTW Achilles is not a mythical character, he indeed existed...


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