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Atomic_Rooster
Forum Senior Member Joined: December 26 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1210 |
Posted: December 14 2006 at 20:46 | ||
No, infact im referencing what someone said before about somewhere between alternative and emo they are prog Its mockery, dont take it seriously |
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ResidentAlien
Forum Senior Member Joined: January 17 2006 Status: Offline Points: 441 |
Posted: December 14 2006 at 21:16 | ||
That was my initial assessment as well. And I know many people feel the same way. It took several listens before I started to even like it at all. But yeah... give it a few more spins... there's more to it then first appears I think. |
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Maverick
Forum Groupie Joined: April 23 2006 Location: Russian Federation Status: Offline Points: 81 |
Posted: December 15 2006 at 14:08 | ||
Yes, I have Orph in my collection too, but it's no prog at all. I hate those screaming vocals! Well...I think, Dredg started their career as alternative band, then they moved into alternative/prog sound, then they reach a high prog level (El Cielo as an example), but now they're playing prog with emo influence. Just listen to Catch Without Arms. It's not so prog as El Cielo and even Leitmotif. I hope that Dredg will return to their more-prog sound.:-) |
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Benjamin_Breeg
Forum Senior Member Joined: September 05 2006 Location: Brazil Status: Offline Points: 229 |
Posted: December 15 2006 at 15:13 | ||
hahahahaha that was the dumbest thing i saw in this forum x) |
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Maverick
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Posted: December 16 2006 at 14:58 | ||
Benjamin_Breeg,
well, maybe. My English is far from fluent, that's why some of my posts might seem dumb to you. |
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Philéas
Forum Senior Member Joined: June 14 2006 Status: Offline Points: 6419 |
Posted: December 16 2006 at 16:28 | ||
Don't insult other members please, BB.
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Tristan Mulders
Prog Reviewer Joined: September 28 2004 Status: Offline Points: 1723 |
Posted: December 17 2006 at 17:01 | ||
I don't care as long as people get in touch with their music!
And for the record, I actually prefer 'Catch without Arms' to their other albums, mainly because it's really catchy, but all their albums have some great tunes included! |
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The Miracle
Prog Reviewer Joined: May 29 2005 Location: hell Status: Offline Points: 28427 |
Posted: December 17 2006 at 17:13 | ||
Ahh, ok then They do have alternative in their sound, but no traces emo. |
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Ivan_Melgar_M
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19535 |
Posted: December 17 2006 at 17:51 | ||
Oh please, I agree Dredg is not purely EMO, but it's a hybrid between Grunge, alternative and...oh surpride, their hardcore sound is also characteristic of EMO.
They remind me a bit od System of a Down meets Nirvana, meets Coldplay, but less commercial, I see no Prog connection.
Songs from "El Cielo"
And the rest of the album is the same, monotone tracks with almost no variations, a voice that reminds the most depressive Kurt Cobain, nothing Prog in El Cielo. Now Leimotiff:
Didn't asked my cousin to lend me Catch without Arms because for what I read is tgheir most mainstream album. I see no justification to include them.
Welcome Heff, but I must tell you something being you new in PA.
The "If X is here, why not Y" argument, is not valid, we qualify, accept or reject bands for their own merits, not because another one that we believe is less Proggy is here.
Cheers
Iván
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Philéas
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Posted: December 17 2006 at 18:00 | ||
Prog today doesn't have to sound like it did in the 70's. Keep that in mind.
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moreitsythanyou
Forum Senior Member VIP Member Joined: April 23 2006 Location: NYC Status: Offline Points: 11682 |
Posted: December 17 2006 at 18:03 | ||
Dredg is really progressive. Phileas makes a good point that modern progressive and classic progressive are not the same. Dredg is not emo, they've been placed as art rock, let's leave it at that.
As a side note, they have probably the best vocalist |
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The Miracle
Prog Reviewer Joined: May 29 2005 Location: hell Status: Offline Points: 28427 |
Posted: December 17 2006 at 18:04 | ||
That hurt, Ivan
SOAD don't play emo, they're alternative/nu metal and I hate them but Dredg are one of my favorite bands. I see nothing emo about Triangle or any other of their songs whatsoever. "Dredg is a band with a completely unique sound. They transcend many genres with their art-rock styles and manage to be one of the deepest and most talented modern progressive bands today. I recommend them to anyone looking for a rebirth in great progressive music." That sums it up well... If you don;t like them, fine, but emo is an insult. You're not suggesting I listen to emo do you? And Catch Without Arms is pure beauty, mainstream or not. |
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: December 17 2006 at 18:16 | ||
I never said they were bad or pure EMO, they share a lot of influences being EMO one of them IMHO.
Mainly they are Alternative IMHO and see no Art Rock in them but yes, I feel SOAD influence but softened by their Indie/Alternative sound, despite it's softer they have some clear hard SOAD explosions.
)I heard both albums because my cousin (He's 20 and likes some Prog) called me saying he had found a new Prog band, he lent me this two albums, and listened them from start to end (With him at my side inquiring every 5 minutes), had to tell him that honestly I see no Prog at all, not 70's, 80's, 90's or 2000's style of Prog.
Iván
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The Miracle
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Posted: December 17 2006 at 18:39 | ||
...matter of taste I guess...
I personally agree with what Bryan said in the bio. Modern prog has so many different faces, from Tool to TMV to Taal to GYBE!... I noticed some people fall in love with Dredg and others find them boring and not prog, they're a love or hate kind of band. The influences are there but used in a good way IMO. |
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Atomic_Rooster
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Posted: December 17 2006 at 18:41 | ||
I personally can't stand this band;
just because many of you like this band does not mean its prog, and if we accept this band, then we might as well accept any alt/indie/grunge/emo/whaterver band that uses the occasional strange song title and long song with a large dose of non-commercialism and weirdness. Modern prog sounds something like Radiohead, something like The Mars Volta, something like Deluge Grander. As far as I'm concerned, Dredg just mixes together several non-progressive genres to create something (gasp) non-progressive. |
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Philéas
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Posted: December 17 2006 at 18:42 | ||
^Just because you dislike this band does not mean it isn't Prog.
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Atomic_Rooster
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Posted: December 17 2006 at 19:03 | ||
You must not have read past the first line in my post. I am merely trying to give the fans of this band some perspective, because they seem to be trying to validate their love for this band by claiming it as progressive rock, which it is not by any definition i have heard, if truth be told, i would classify their interpretation of influences as regressive rock. I have no problem with people liking this band, but they should stop trying to push this on other people as prog; for instance, i would not give anything by this band to a newcomer to prog, because they would obviously form false conceptions about the genre. If you really want to call this prog, go ahead, but don't think that doing so will gain them any more artistic respect acceptance. |
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SolariS
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Posted: December 17 2006 at 19:04 | ||
I've only heard "Catch Without Arms". It sounded very bland, unimaginative and repetitive to me. I don't think that album could be considered prog, and it's the last album of theirs I will buy.
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Philéas
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Posted: December 17 2006 at 19:29 | ||
The fact that they are included on this site in the Art Rock category (meaning they are considered a Prog band) remains. |
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The Miracle
Prog Reviewer Joined: May 29 2005 Location: hell Status: Offline Points: 28427 |
Posted: December 17 2006 at 19:33 | ||
They are prog by definition. "Dredg is a band with a completely unique sound. They transcend many genres with their art-rock styles and manage to be one of the deepest and most talented modern progressive bands today. I recommend them to anyone looking for a rebirth in great progressive music" ^I agree 100% with that statement, Dredg play very unique and interesting music that's actually progressive unlike all the modern symphonic bands that live in the 70's. Bu PA definition:
So are they prog? Hell yes. Do you have to like them? No. 5 out of 8 collabs who reviewed it rated El Cielo 5 stars, gotta be something prog about them Edited by The Miracle - December 17 2006 at 19:37 |
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